Landmark ruling stops Whitebirk shopping complex

Blackburn traders celebrate landmark ruling

Blackburn traders celebrate landmark ruling

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BRITAIN’S top judges have saved Blackburn and Accrington shopping centres from the threat of ‘devastation’ by a proposed out-of-town retail park in a landmark ruling.

Jubilant traders and politicians yesterday celebrated the decision ending a ten-year legal battle with developer Peel Group over the future of the Whitebirk site near Rishton.

It is a massive boost for the redevelopment of Blackburn town centre where construction is starting on the £33 milliion Cathedral Quarter and £5 million bus station.

The UK Supreme Court threw out the last-ditch legal attempt by Peel to change Whitebirk into a £16 million shopping complex with food and fashion retailers.
The retail park currently only has planning permission to sell bulky, home improvement and electrical goods.

Blackburn with Darwen and Hyndburn councils together with traders feared Peel’s plans would devastate their own town centre regeneration proposals.
They faced a bill for legal costs of more than £500,000 and the possibility of a compensation claim running into millions if they had lost the case.

The judges ordered all parties’ lawyers bills be paid by Peel, the developer and part-owner of Manchester’s Trafford Centre.

Backed by The Mall Blackburn’s owners Capital and Regional, the local authorities held their nerve as Peel escalated the case after Hyndburn council refused planning permission for the change of use in 2005.

The firm took appealed to the planning inspectorate and then every court in the land over a decade.

It argued several smaller permissions amounted to approval for their scheme.
Blackburn MP Jack Straw said: “This is excellent news of national significance. This is an important victory for the two council in a David versus Goliath battle with Peel.

“Had Peel won and gone ahead, it would have devastated the two town centres and investment plans to revive them.

“I am delighted they held their nerve in the face Peel’s brow-beating tactics and possible legal costs of hundreds of thousands of pounds.

“It is good news for the regeneration of Blackburn town centre and for councils around Britain, setting a legal precedent which I shall seek to get enshrined in planning law before I retire as an MP in May.

“There were major store chains, including Marks and Spencer, waiting on this decision to make investment decisions.”

Blackburn Chamber of Trade President Tony Duckworth said: “This is really good news for the town and its traders. If Peel had won this protracted battle, the development of Whitebirk could have been devastating for both town centres.”

Blackburn with Darwen regeneration boss Maureen Bateson said: “I am absolutely delighted. This is an important victory for both our town centres.

“This ruling has vindicated our position. We, along with our partners, refused to be bullied by Peel.

“We are committed to regeneration so clearly we had to stand up for our town centres.

“We have already seen £80m investment in the extension of Blackburn Shopping Centre and the £33m scheme to transform Blackburn's Cathedral Quarter is underway.”

Mall general manager Loraine Jones,said: “We support town centre regeneration and believe this is where investment should be directed. We welcome the Supreme Court’s ruling.”

Capital and Regional director Mark Bourgeois said: "This ruling once and for all closes a loophole designed to circumvent town centre first policy and provides reassurance that town centre investment will be supported and protected.”

A Peel group spokesman said: “We are naturally disappointed with the ruling by the Supreme Court but our focus now is to move forward positively, as part of our long-standing commitment to Hyndburn.

“We have been investing heavily in important physical improvements to Hyndburn Retail Park and its accessibility. We are actively seeking new retailers who have requirements for retail park representation.

“It is our intention to secure a successful future for a very important facility.”
Local Government Association chairman David Sparks said: “This is a decision of national significance. Some organisations have been playing high stakes poker with the planning process.”

Hyndburn council leader Miles Parkinson and the borough’s MP Graham Jones hailed a ‘landmark decision’.

Blackburn with Darwen borough, Hyndburn council and Capital and Regional have all each spent more than £60,000 in legal costs which will now be paid by Peel whose lawyers bills are believed to be far higher. 
 

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8:38am Sat 2 Aug 14

PickledPickles says...

I get the feeling that this article has been thrown together. To someone who doesn't know about the original application or the planning system this article is misleading and confusing.

The original application was related to what goods could be sold at the units, where did this talk of a 16m shopping centre come from? Even if true, the retail park is in desperate need of regeneration, I think that can be agreed by most.

Town centre first policies are in place for a reason, but for the wider economy, out of town retail parks are beneficial. If the units are large enough then they do not compete with the offer of town centres, but actually provide an alternative for the public.

"Devastation"? It would have been a much-needed kick up the rear for BwD council to realise that their Cathedral Quarter plans will fall short and that they should have more in place to make Blackburn more attractive to shoppers. I'm worried that BwD council will rest on their laurels and think that what they have got planned is enough.
I get the feeling that this article has been thrown together. To someone who doesn't know about the original application or the planning system this article is misleading and confusing. The original application was related to what goods could be sold at the units, where did this talk of a 16m shopping centre come from? Even if true, the retail park is in desperate need of regeneration, I think that can be agreed by most. Town centre first policies are in place for a reason, but for the wider economy, out of town retail parks are beneficial. If the units are large enough then they do not compete with the offer of town centres, but actually provide an alternative for the public. "Devastation"? It would have been a much-needed kick up the rear for BwD council to realise that their Cathedral Quarter plans will fall short and that they should have more in place to make Blackburn more attractive to shoppers. I'm worried that BwD council will rest on their laurels and think that what they have got planned is enough. PickledPickles
  • Score: 81

8:54am Sat 2 Aug 14

burner says...

BAD NEWS for consumers . . . the paying customers who will continue to travel to the Capitol Centre, Reebok, Deepdale, Trafford Centre, Meadowhall etc. Town Centre shoppers seem to want Market Tat, betting shops , charity shops, Pound shops with little free, convenient parking FREE FROM TIME LIMITATIONS !!!
BAD NEWS for consumers . . . the paying customers who will continue to travel to the Capitol Centre, Reebok, Deepdale, Trafford Centre, Meadowhall etc. Town Centre shoppers seem to want Market Tat, betting shops , charity shops, Pound shops with little free, convenient parking FREE FROM TIME LIMITATIONS !!! burner
  • Score: 148

9:01am Sat 2 Aug 14

Bellypork says...

Was anybody else consulted on this apart from those higher up? Yet again Blackburn lose out and offers so much for our future generations. Off to Preston now for a bit of shopping!!!!!!!
Was anybody else consulted on this apart from those higher up? Yet again Blackburn lose out and offers so much for our future generations. Off to Preston now for a bit of shopping!!!!!!! Bellypork
  • Score: 123

9:21am Sat 2 Aug 14

ConcernedOssy says...

Bellypork wrote:
Was anybody else consulted on this apart from those higher up? Yet again Blackburn lose out and offers so much for our future generations. Off to Preston now for a bit of shopping!!!!!!!
Yet another cracking decision made on the electors behalf by the brain dead Clowncil, who are devoid of all forward vision beyond their expenses,and seem intent on closing the now virtually derelict Blackburn Down completely. (It's a pity they are now taking Darwen and Accrington with them also) The Circus used to come once a year but now we have it everyday with this lot. Jack Straw retire in May !!! he's Been retired for years Enter stage left now,Hollern, the next star attraction to enter the ring !!!
[quote][p][bold]Bellypork[/bold] wrote: Was anybody else consulted on this apart from those higher up? Yet again Blackburn lose out and offers so much for our future generations. Off to Preston now for a bit of shopping!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Yet another cracking decision made on the electors behalf by the brain dead Clowncil, who are devoid of all forward vision beyond their expenses,and seem intent on closing the now virtually derelict Blackburn Down completely. (It's a pity they are now taking Darwen and Accrington with them also) The Circus used to come once a year but now we have it everyday with this lot. Jack Straw retire in May !!! he's Been retired for years Enter stage left now,Hollern, the next star attraction to enter the ring !!! ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 85

10:15am Sat 2 Aug 14

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

Middlebrook for me :)
Middlebrook for me :) Michael@ClitheroeSince58
  • Score: 77

10:16am Sat 2 Aug 14

Marky mark says...

Is it shops and restaurants that are planned for the Cathedral Quarter, if so, have BwD said who has shown interest.
Is it shops and restaurants that are planned for the Cathedral Quarter, if so, have BwD said who has shown interest. Marky mark
  • Score: 65

10:16am Sat 2 Aug 14

Bellypork says...

Who are the people in the picture? Come forward and let us all know why you are against this, what would have been a positive move for Blackburn.
Who are the people in the picture? Come forward and let us all know why you are against this, what would have been a positive move for Blackburn. Bellypork
  • Score: 88

10:40am Sat 2 Aug 14

ConcernedOssy says...

Bellypork wrote:
Who are the people in the picture? Come forward and let us all know why you are against this, what would have been a positive move for Blackburn.
One of them is "REGENERATION" BOSS MAUREEN BATESON,another forward thinker,NOT !!!! More like DEGENERATION !!!
[quote][p][bold]Bellypork[/bold] wrote: Who are the people in the picture? Come forward and let us all know why you are against this, what would have been a positive move for Blackburn.[/p][/quote]One of them is "REGENERATION" BOSS MAUREEN BATESON,another forward thinker,NOT !!!! More like DEGENERATION !!! ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 84

10:59am Sat 2 Aug 14

marctk says...

Blackburn and Accrington standing in the way of progress to drag out the eventual and inevitable death of town centres. people don't want town centre shops they want free parking , easy transport and new jobs . this is a big fail for the local area I will continue to take my money to Preston and Bolton
Blackburn and Accrington standing in the way of progress to drag out the eventual and inevitable death of town centres. people don't want town centre shops they want free parking , easy transport and new jobs . this is a big fail for the local area I will continue to take my money to Preston and Bolton marctk
  • Score: 90

11:04am Sat 2 Aug 14

Noiticer says...

This is excellent news for economic, environmental and social reasons and, hopefully, is the beginning of the end for further development of out of town shopping which encourages traffic congestion and uneceesary journeys,urban sprawl and the decline of town centres especially those of smaller and medium towns. On a small overcrowded island such as our's these developments are a luxury.
This is excellent news for economic, environmental and social reasons and, hopefully, is the beginning of the end for further development of out of town shopping which encourages traffic congestion and uneceesary journeys,urban sprawl and the decline of town centres especially those of smaller and medium towns. On a small overcrowded island such as our's these developments are a luxury. Noiticer
  • Score: -101

11:10am Sat 2 Aug 14

anniehargs says...

I know absolutely nothing about planning, regeneration or sustainability. All I do know is that the Whitebirk site has been a bloody eyesore for years - now made even worse by people using it as a tip. Preston has Deepdale, Bolton has the Reebok, Manchester has the Trafford Centre, Sheffield has Meadow Hall. Do we hear them complaining that their town centres have been decimated? NO! Give people what they want! All BWD are bothered about is that the area is not theirs, it belongs to Hyndburn. The folk of Accrington, quite rightly, would be brassed off that Blackburn would be served by this super dooper shopping experience, when, in fact, it is in Hyndburn. Well, last I heard Comet had gone in to liquidation and we don't need any more flaming sofa shops. Where do we go from here? This week I have eaten out at Pizza Hut Audley (and it was packed out, as was Frankie and Bennys). I also ate out twice more - once in Blackpool and once in Kendal. Guess why? Blackburn had nothing else to offer. Childish, pathetic and damaging.
I know absolutely nothing about planning, regeneration or sustainability. All I do know is that the Whitebirk site has been a bloody eyesore for years - now made even worse by people using it as a tip. Preston has Deepdale, Bolton has the Reebok, Manchester has the Trafford Centre, Sheffield has Meadow Hall. Do we hear them complaining that their town centres have been decimated? NO! Give people what they want! All BWD are bothered about is that the area is not theirs, it belongs to Hyndburn. The folk of Accrington, quite rightly, would be brassed off that Blackburn would be served by this super dooper shopping experience, when, in fact, it is in Hyndburn. Well, last I heard Comet had gone in to liquidation and we don't need any more flaming sofa shops. Where do we go from here? This week I have eaten out at Pizza Hut Audley (and it was packed out, as was Frankie and Bennys). I also ate out twice more - once in Blackpool and once in Kendal. Guess why? Blackburn had nothing else to offer. Childish, pathetic and damaging. anniehargs
  • Score: 88

11:11am Sat 2 Aug 14

Barb-Dwyer says...

Why was I not given the option to vote on whether or not I wanted this development - thought we lived in a democracy. I see this as yet another decision made for me against my will.

I hate blackburn - expensive parking, same shops, not easy to get to.

I was looking forward to shopping here - convenient and free parking.

This has just given another reason to avoid the awful town centre
Why was I not given the option to vote on whether or not I wanted this development - thought we lived in a democracy. I see this as yet another decision made for me against my will. I hate blackburn - expensive parking, same shops, not easy to get to. I was looking forward to shopping here - convenient and free parking. This has just given another reason to avoid the awful town centre Barb-Dwyer
  • Score: 101

11:13am Sat 2 Aug 14

Excluded again says...

If you don't care whether or not our town centres survive, then this ruling will disappoint you. If you want more and more of the green belts around our towns and cities to be built on by out of town shopping centres then this ruling will disappoint you.

But if you think that the survival of our town centres is important and that it is madness to keep building huge shopping centres on green fields to leave empty and derelict shops in urban areas, then this ruling will be music to your ears.
If you don't care whether or not our town centres survive, then this ruling will disappoint you. If you want more and more of the green belts around our towns and cities to be built on by out of town shopping centres then this ruling will disappoint you. But if you think that the survival of our town centres is important and that it is madness to keep building huge shopping centres on green fields to leave empty and derelict shops in urban areas, then this ruling will be music to your ears. Excluded again
  • Score: -70

11:14am Sat 2 Aug 14

anniehargs says...

Would you rather have the travellers leaving all their rubbish on there like they did the other week?
Would you rather have the travellers leaving all their rubbish on there like they did the other week? anniehargs
  • Score: 69

11:40am Sat 2 Aug 14

Fspiders says...

Green fields?? You obviously haven't been in that area for many years.. Peel centre is a desolate tarmac playground for learner drivers, fly tippers and late night car yobs.. Industrialisation surrounds it for miles on both sides. Even the main cop shop for Blackburn is located there! It's surrounded by house estates also. This isn't an out of the way green belt land with beautiful woods. I doubt the last few stores on that site will stay now. And they surely won't relocate to the centre as it's a well known fact that this council's rents are extortionate. How many stores have they driven from the town centre? How many more will eventually realise Blackburn town centre is no longer a viable option.
Green fields?? You obviously haven't been in that area for many years.. Peel centre is a desolate tarmac playground for learner drivers, fly tippers and late night car yobs.. Industrialisation surrounds it for miles on both sides. Even the main cop shop for Blackburn is located there! It's surrounded by house estates also. This isn't an out of the way green belt land with beautiful woods. I doubt the last few stores on that site will stay now. And they surely won't relocate to the centre as it's a well known fact that this council's rents are extortionate. How many stores have they driven from the town centre? How many more will eventually realise Blackburn town centre is no longer a viable option. Fspiders
  • Score: 75

11:50am Sat 2 Aug 14

anniehargs says...

Excluded again wrote:
If you don't care whether or not our town centres survive, then this ruling will disappoint you. If you want more and more of the green belts around our towns and cities to be built on by out of town shopping centres then this ruling will disappoint you.

But if you think that the survival of our town centres is important and that it is madness to keep building huge shopping centres on green fields to leave empty and derelict shops in urban areas, then this ruling will be music to your ears.
Point one - it's not green belt, it's a brown field site. Point two - due to the Open Source Planning Policy implemented by BWD Borough Council (Maureen Bateson as Regeneration Officer is part of this process) green field sites are actively being ear-marked for housing. 85 homes already in the final planning process for Parsonage Road for example (with more to follow). To suggest that Peel Holdings are responsible for redeveloping on green field sites, in this instance, is factually inaccurate. The finger of blame should be squarely pointed at BWD Council.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: If you don't care whether or not our town centres survive, then this ruling will disappoint you. If you want more and more of the green belts around our towns and cities to be built on by out of town shopping centres then this ruling will disappoint you. But if you think that the survival of our town centres is important and that it is madness to keep building huge shopping centres on green fields to leave empty and derelict shops in urban areas, then this ruling will be music to your ears.[/p][/quote]Point one - it's not green belt, it's a brown field site. Point two - due to the Open Source Planning Policy implemented by BWD Borough Council (Maureen Bateson as Regeneration Officer is part of this process) green field sites are actively being ear-marked for housing. 85 homes already in the final planning process for Parsonage Road for example (with more to follow). To suggest that Peel Holdings are responsible for redeveloping on green field sites, in this instance, is factually inaccurate. The finger of blame should be squarely pointed at BWD Council. anniehargs
  • Score: 75

11:52am Sat 2 Aug 14

A Darener says...

Another nail in the coffin of shopping in Blackburn.
Bolton, Preston shops etc must be clapping their hands in glee.
I go into Blackburn once a year at most, if I must. What is the point in paying through the nose in parking charges and then paying more in the shops for goods that can be purchased cheaper either online or at the loads of shopping centres with free parking within easy reach of BwD?
The shopkeepers in the town centre should be badgering the council to sort out the traffic and parking problems, not stopping the shoppers getting what they want.
Another nail in the coffin of shopping in Blackburn. Bolton, Preston shops etc must be clapping their hands in glee. I go into Blackburn once a year at most, if I must. What is the point in paying through the nose in parking charges and then paying more in the shops for goods that can be purchased cheaper either online or at the loads of shopping centres with free parking within easy reach of BwD? The shopkeepers in the town centre should be badgering the council to sort out the traffic and parking problems, not stopping the shoppers getting what they want. A Darener
  • Score: 79

11:53am Sat 2 Aug 14

Excluded again says...

Fspiders wrote:
Green fields?? You obviously haven't been in that area for many years.. Peel centre is a desolate tarmac playground for learner drivers, fly tippers and late night car yobs.. Industrialisation surrounds it for miles on both sides. Even the main cop shop for Blackburn is located there! It's surrounded by house estates also. This isn't an out of the way green belt land with beautiful woods. I doubt the last few stores on that site will stay now. And they surely won't relocate to the centre as it's a well known fact that this council's rents are extortionate. How many stores have they driven from the town centre? How many more will eventually realise Blackburn town centre is no longer a viable option.
I'm old enough to remember when this site was green fields. I don't know how far the proposed extension would have gone, but the area immediately behind the site is still fields.
[quote][p][bold]Fspiders[/bold] wrote: Green fields?? You obviously haven't been in that area for many years.. Peel centre is a desolate tarmac playground for learner drivers, fly tippers and late night car yobs.. Industrialisation surrounds it for miles on both sides. Even the main cop shop for Blackburn is located there! It's surrounded by house estates also. This isn't an out of the way green belt land with beautiful woods. I doubt the last few stores on that site will stay now. And they surely won't relocate to the centre as it's a well known fact that this council's rents are extortionate. How many stores have they driven from the town centre? How many more will eventually realise Blackburn town centre is no longer a viable option.[/p][/quote]I'm old enough to remember when this site was green fields. I don't know how far the proposed extension would have gone, but the area immediately behind the site is still fields. Excluded again
  • Score: -55

12:00pm Sat 2 Aug 14

ConcernedOssy says...

anniehargs wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
If you don't care whether or not our town centres survive, then this ruling will disappoint you. If you want more and more of the green belts around our towns and cities to be built on by out of town shopping centres then this ruling will disappoint you.

But if you think that the survival of our town centres is important and that it is madness to keep building huge shopping centres on green fields to leave empty and derelict shops in urban areas, then this ruling will be music to your ears.
Point one - it's not green belt, it's a brown field site. Point two - due to the Open Source Planning Policy implemented by BWD Borough Council (Maureen Bateson as Regeneration Officer is part of this process) green field sites are actively being ear-marked for housing. 85 homes already in the final planning process for Parsonage Road for example (with more to follow). To suggest that Peel Holdings are responsible for redeveloping on green field sites, in this instance, is factually inaccurate. The finger of blame should be squarely pointed at BWD Council.
Looking at the state of Bateson in the Picture she NEVER GOES SHOPPING !!! LOL
[quote][p][bold]anniehargs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: If you don't care whether or not our town centres survive, then this ruling will disappoint you. If you want more and more of the green belts around our towns and cities to be built on by out of town shopping centres then this ruling will disappoint you. But if you think that the survival of our town centres is important and that it is madness to keep building huge shopping centres on green fields to leave empty and derelict shops in urban areas, then this ruling will be music to your ears.[/p][/quote]Point one - it's not green belt, it's a brown field site. Point two - due to the Open Source Planning Policy implemented by BWD Borough Council (Maureen Bateson as Regeneration Officer is part of this process) green field sites are actively being ear-marked for housing. 85 homes already in the final planning process for Parsonage Road for example (with more to follow). To suggest that Peel Holdings are responsible for redeveloping on green field sites, in this instance, is factually inaccurate. The finger of blame should be squarely pointed at BWD Council.[/p][/quote]Looking at the state of Bateson in the Picture she NEVER GOES SHOPPING !!! LOL ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 56

12:09pm Sat 2 Aug 14

garnersfreshpint says...

It was brownfield as the power station previously occupied the site, with football pitches where the garages now stand.
I would be more impressed if we could attract a few major manufacturers to the area with "permanent" better paid jobs.
Then at least people of Blackburn or Hyndburn would have something to spend at the shops, wherever they may be.
It was brownfield as the power station previously occupied the site, with football pitches where the garages now stand. I would be more impressed if we could attract a few major manufacturers to the area with "permanent" better paid jobs. Then at least people of Blackburn or Hyndburn would have something to spend at the shops, wherever they may be. garnersfreshpint
  • Score: 54

12:10pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Fspiders says...

Its a canal directly behind so it was never going any further. Any part of the site not surrounded by the canal has already been developed. So now what happens with this? It's very easy to celebrate a BwD win but I don't see any positive outcome relating to that land.
Its a canal directly behind so it was never going any further. Any part of the site not surrounded by the canal has already been developed. So now what happens with this? It's very easy to celebrate a BwD win but I don't see any positive outcome relating to that land. Fspiders
  • Score: 60

12:14pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Stone Island: says...

So what will become of Whitebirk then? because as it stands now, it's a bloody disgrace. Plagued by fly tippers and our 'friends' the travellers.

Curry's/PC World must be getting a good deal to stay on there. Their sales figures must be some of the lowest throughout their chain.
So what will become of Whitebirk then? because as it stands now, it's a bloody disgrace. Plagued by fly tippers and our 'friends' the travellers. Curry's/PC World must be getting a good deal to stay on there. Their sales figures must be some of the lowest throughout their chain. Stone Island:
  • Score: 63

12:20pm Sat 2 Aug 14

A Darener says...

I usually use the PCworld/Currys,but couldn't be bothered to go for an ink cartridge replacement so I had it delivered by PCworld online. Much easier. But had there been more shops available I would have browsed.
I usually use the PCworld/Currys,but couldn't be bothered to go for an ink cartridge replacement so I had it delivered by PCworld online. Much easier. But had there been more shops available I would have browsed. A Darener
  • Score: 61

12:24pm Sat 2 Aug 14

abetterblackburn says...

Pull your socks up Blackburn with Darwen Council and give us a shopping centre where people want to go!

If Blackburn showed any signs of becoming an alternative shopping centre to either Preston or Bolton then this decision to stop further opposition can only be described as a sign of defeat. The only intention is to stop alternative shopping venues but unfortunately given the choice between Blackburn and other nearby shopping centres Blackburn still continues on it’s downward slide. Notice the lack of shoppers in the photo above?

Shopping in Blackburn is fast becoming a place where only those living there have to go!
Pull your socks up Blackburn with Darwen Council and give us a shopping centre where people want to go! If Blackburn showed any signs of becoming an alternative shopping centre to either Preston or Bolton then this decision to stop further opposition can only be described as a sign of defeat. The only intention is to stop alternative shopping venues but unfortunately given the choice between Blackburn and other nearby shopping centres Blackburn still continues on it’s downward slide. Notice the lack of shoppers in the photo above? Shopping in Blackburn is fast becoming a place where only those living there have to go! abetterblackburn
  • Score: 72

12:39pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Fatpants666 says...

Imo The town is a bomb site full of the dregs of society. If I go shopping it's never ever down there. This decision is not good for the local economy. Preston and Bolton will be laughing.
Imo The town is a bomb site full of the dregs of society. If I go shopping it's never ever down there. This decision is not good for the local economy. Preston and Bolton will be laughing. Fatpants666
  • Score: 68

12:48pm Sat 2 Aug 14

darwenTower says...

Problem now is that if you want to deal with a local independent trader there's the hassle of the road system and parking in Blackburn.
Shopping there is currently beyond inconvenient. I go there under extreme duress.
Darwen is better in this respect but but if you want something from the larger retailers it's necessary to go to BBurn or out of town.

Why not turn the town centre into a recreation area? Parks, cinemas, restaurants, other attractions etc.
Then have these out of town shopping areas but have a mix of retail unit sizes then small and large businesses can trade in the same areas.
Problem now is that if you want to deal with a local independent trader there's the hassle of the road system and parking in Blackburn. Shopping there is currently beyond inconvenient. I go there under extreme duress. Darwen is better in this respect but but if you want something from the larger retailers it's necessary to go to BBurn or out of town. Why not turn the town centre into a recreation area? Parks, cinemas, restaurants, other attractions etc. Then have these out of town shopping areas but have a mix of retail unit sizes then small and large businesses can trade in the same areas. darwenTower
  • Score: 60

1:05pm Sat 2 Aug 14

the beaver says...

Marky mark wrote:
Is it shops and restaurants that are planned for the Cathedral Quarter, if so, have BwD said who has shown interest.
If they had attracted anyone exciting hollern would be singing from the treetops with her name on it. The only one interested is the 99p store chain. which is about right for straw and hollerns vision of thinking.
[quote][p][bold]Marky mark[/bold] wrote: Is it shops and restaurants that are planned for the Cathedral Quarter, if so, have BwD said who has shown interest.[/p][/quote]If they had attracted anyone exciting hollern would be singing from the treetops with her name on it. The only one interested is the 99p store chain. which is about right for straw and hollerns vision of thinking. the beaver
  • Score: 59

1:43pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Bellypork says...

Just look at Deepdale centre in Preston, really busy all the time, and people still shop in the town centre. Blackburn way way behind with regards to shopping. It's 2014 not 2004!!!!!!!
Just look at Deepdale centre in Preston, really busy all the time, and people still shop in the town centre. Blackburn way way behind with regards to shopping. It's 2014 not 2004!!!!!!! Bellypork
  • Score: 66

1:43pm Sat 2 Aug 14

berylm61 says...

Bwd council haven't got a clue what people want. They are scared that the retail park at whitebirk will take custom away from The town centre. Wake up you clots it's too late, nobody goes shopping there anymore because you have ruined it. No nice shops, just Pound shops n phone shops. No market as such because there's hardly any stalls left and definatly no competition for customers. No bars to have a nice Lunch
Deepdale, reebok, Trafford centre haven't taken customers away from their towns, just added to them. Drawing more people in.
That's where the people of Blackburn now do their shopping. I haven't shopped in Blackburn for ages, because the council have ruined it. It's a dump!!!!
Bwd council haven't got a clue what people want. They are scared that the retail park at whitebirk will take custom away from The town centre. Wake up you clots it's too late, nobody goes shopping there anymore because you have ruined it. No nice shops, just Pound shops n phone shops. No market as such because there's hardly any stalls left and definatly no competition for customers. No bars to have a nice Lunch Deepdale, reebok, Trafford centre haven't taken customers away from their towns, just added to them. Drawing more people in. That's where the people of Blackburn now do their shopping. I haven't shopped in Blackburn for ages, because the council have ruined it. It's a dump!!!! berylm61
  • Score: 59

2:05pm Sat 2 Aug 14

onlyonesimongarner says...

This Morning I came into town to but my tickets for tomorrows game. The wife wanted to pop into M&S for a couple of things , so for the first time in years I went into the Mall. What an absolute DUMP, limited shop`s pound lands and boarded up stores, Gangs of lads intimidating people , Out side of Debenhams looks like a war zone, and Northgate??????

We left town towards Rishton and and passed the tumbleweed estate that is Whitebirk, what a waste!!!.

That could have attracted more visitors to town, given the right mix of shops and restaurants , But yet again its seems like BwD don`t want to properly regenerate the town.
It would be interesting to know what the numbers where from BB1 and BB2 postcodes visiting Deepdale and Middlebrook every weekend. Now that would have been research worth doing BwD before coming to this conclusion without consultation with the public

While i am on a rant. What is all this fanatasy about Hotels in the Cathedral quarter. I Can you imagine any local business booking guests or visitors to stay in that area???. Wall to wall scrotes and dossers on the doorstep, Don`t think so
This Morning I came into town to but my tickets for tomorrows game. The wife wanted to pop into M&S for a couple of things , so for the first time in years I went into the Mall. What an absolute DUMP, limited shop`s pound lands and boarded up stores, Gangs of lads intimidating people , Out side of Debenhams looks like a war zone, and Northgate?????? We left town towards Rishton and and passed the tumbleweed estate that is Whitebirk, what a waste!!!. That could have attracted more visitors to town, given the right mix of shops and restaurants , But yet again its seems like BwD don`t want to properly regenerate the town. It would be interesting to know what the numbers where from BB1 and BB2 postcodes visiting Deepdale and Middlebrook every weekend. Now that would have been research worth doing BwD before coming to this conclusion without consultation with the public While i am on a rant. What is all this fanatasy about Hotels in the Cathedral quarter. I Can you imagine any local business booking guests or visitors to stay in that area???. Wall to wall scrotes and dossers on the doorstep, Don`t think so onlyonesimongarner
  • Score: 81

2:07pm Sat 2 Aug 14

burner says...

A Darener wrote:
I usually use the PCworld/Currys,but couldn't be bothered to go for an ink cartridge replacement so I had it delivered by PCworld online. Much easier. But had there been more shops available I would have browsed.
Ah, you wouldn't have browsed in Bburn Town Centre cos you HAVE to get back to your car as your pre-purchased time is running out. Pay and Display is the architect of the Death of Town Centres.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: I usually use the PCworld/Currys,but couldn't be bothered to go for an ink cartridge replacement so I had it delivered by PCworld online. Much easier. But had there been more shops available I would have browsed.[/p][/quote]Ah, you wouldn't have browsed in Bburn Town Centre cos you HAVE to get back to your car as your pre-purchased time is running out. Pay and Display is the architect of the Death of Town Centres. burner
  • Score: 65

2:17pm Sat 2 Aug 14

A Darener says...

burner wrote:
A Darener wrote:
I usually use the PCworld/Currys,but couldn't be bothered to go for an ink cartridge replacement so I had it delivered by PCworld online. Much easier. But had there been more shops available I would have browsed.
Ah, you wouldn't have browsed in Bburn Town Centre cos you HAVE to get back to your car as your pre-purchased time is running out. Pay and Display is the architect of the Death of Town Centres.
I meant browsed in shops at Whitebirk, if they were available! I refuse to pay for parking in Blackburn town centre, that is why I will shop wherever it is free parking.
[quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: I usually use the PCworld/Currys,but couldn't be bothered to go for an ink cartridge replacement so I had it delivered by PCworld online. Much easier. But had there been more shops available I would have browsed.[/p][/quote]Ah, you wouldn't have browsed in Bburn Town Centre cos you HAVE to get back to your car as your pre-purchased time is running out. Pay and Display is the architect of the Death of Town Centres.[/p][/quote]I meant browsed in shops at Whitebirk, if they were available! I refuse to pay for parking in Blackburn town centre, that is why I will shop wherever it is free parking. A Darener
  • Score: 61

4:01pm Sat 2 Aug 14

ikap22 says...

Blackburn is a dump anyway.
Blackburn is a dump anyway. ikap22
  • Score: 54

4:19pm Sat 2 Aug 14

woolywords says...

burner wrote:
BAD NEWS for consumers . . . the paying customers who will continue to travel to the Capitol Centre, Reebok, Deepdale, Trafford Centre, Meadowhall etc. Town Centre shoppers seem to want Market Tat, betting shops , charity shops, Pound shops with little free, convenient parking FREE FROM TIME LIMITATIONS !!!
Hey burner, want to do my shirts, since you've got your irony out?
...
Seriously though...
What would happen if Peel decided to open a disco out there, in the middle of nowhere, with excellent roads to anywhere you like, loads of parking at night and the Police Station only down the road. Where you could virtually make as much noise as you like, as your nearest sleeping neighbour is some drunk in a cell..
One way in, one way out, so easy to police for druggies, dopeys and smack heads, not to mention kiddie fiddlers, preverts and pedo's..
Rapists, ravishers and rumpers would know to keep away, making it a safe place for gropers, granny grabbers and
Trouble is, do fat sl-a-gs qualify as bulky items, which they are allowed to trade in, on that site?
[quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: BAD NEWS for consumers . . . the paying customers who will continue to travel to the Capitol Centre, Reebok, Deepdale, Trafford Centre, Meadowhall etc. Town Centre shoppers seem to want Market Tat, betting shops , charity shops, Pound shops with little free, convenient parking FREE FROM TIME LIMITATIONS !!![/p][/quote]Hey burner, want to do my shirts, since you've got your irony out? ... Seriously though... What would happen if Peel decided to open a disco out there, in the middle of nowhere, with excellent roads to anywhere you like, loads of parking at night and the Police Station only down the road. Where you could virtually make as much noise as you like, as your nearest sleeping neighbour is some drunk in a cell.. One way in, one way out, so easy to police for druggies, dopeys and smack heads, not to mention kiddie fiddlers, preverts and pedo's.. Rapists, ravishers and rumpers would know to keep away, making it a safe place for gropers, granny grabbers and Trouble is, do fat sl-a-gs qualify as bulky items, which they are allowed to trade in, on that site? woolywords
  • Score: -15

5:20pm Sat 2 Aug 14

BRFC195 says...

Absolutely ridiculous this was not given the go ahead , the council have ruined blackburn it's nightlife and pride ...what are the council and Lorraine going to do to stop us going out if town ???!! The only time the council pulled there finger out was when the queen came ! Get rid of the lot of them and bring in forward thinking people who want to regenerate our town I'm sure if this was up to a public vote most people would of wanted it , they won't be happy until there's nothing left , nothing for our youngsters growing up no future for our towns with this lot in charge !
Absolutely ridiculous this was not given the go ahead , the council have ruined blackburn it's nightlife and pride ...what are the council and Lorraine going to do to stop us going out if town ???!! The only time the council pulled there finger out was when the queen came ! Get rid of the lot of them and bring in forward thinking people who want to regenerate our town I'm sure if this was up to a public vote most people would of wanted it , they won't be happy until there's nothing left , nothing for our youngsters growing up no future for our towns with this lot in charge ! BRFC195
  • Score: 53

5:46pm Sat 2 Aug 14

woolywords says...

ConcernedOssy wrote:
Bellypork wrote:
Who are the people in the picture? Come forward and let us all know why you are against this, what would have been a positive move for Blackburn.
One of them is "REGENERATION" BOSS MAUREEN BATESON,another forward thinker,NOT !!!! More like DEGENERATION !!!
Hey..
OssyBolacks, I live here in Blackburn and if our Mo needs another thumping, it's not your place to do it..
Stop coming round here and trying to incite riot, when they need people like you at the local Beetle drive, cribbage club, domino nights, or whatever..
You do know how to play Whist, don't you..there's a Whist drive coming up soon..
and while your Granny is teaching you that; get her to teach you, to suck eggs..
...
Admin, Admin, Am being harassed by people in Oswaldderpwhitsle, or however they spell it..
Should I complain to you, or AOL?
[quote][p][bold]ConcernedOssy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bellypork[/bold] wrote: Who are the people in the picture? Come forward and let us all know why you are against this, what would have been a positive move for Blackburn.[/p][/quote]One of them is "REGENERATION" BOSS MAUREEN BATESON,another forward thinker,NOT !!!! More like DEGENERATION !!![/p][/quote]Hey.. OssyBolacks, I live here in Blackburn and if our Mo needs another thumping, it's not your place to do it.. Stop coming round here and trying to incite riot, when they need people like you at the local Beetle drive, cribbage club, domino nights, or whatever.. You do know how to play Whist, don't you..there's a Whist drive coming up soon.. and while your Granny is teaching you that; get her to teach you, to suck eggs.. ... Admin, Admin, Am being harassed by people in Oswaldderpwhitsle, or however they spell it.. Should I complain to you, or AOL? woolywords
  • Score: -54

6:03pm Sat 2 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

Yes good news for Blackburn and Accrington town centres .Peel should attract likes of DFS Toys Rus IKEA and fast food outlets should be built there likes of KFC Nandos Starbucks Harry Ramsden Pizza Hut, Subways Mcdonalds, Krispy Kreme .Whitebirk Peel's Park should keep up with attracting more of bulky item stores like DFS IKEA Toys R US etc etc.
No more food and clothing stores there are enough around Audley /Bolton Road retail parks and Blackburn town centre.
Yes good news for Blackburn and Accrington town centres .Peel should attract likes of DFS Toys Rus IKEA and fast food outlets should be built there likes of KFC Nandos Starbucks Harry Ramsden Pizza Hut, Subways Mcdonalds, Krispy Kreme .Whitebirk Peel's Park should keep up with attracting more of bulky item stores like DFS IKEA Toys R US etc etc. No more food and clothing stores there are enough around Audley /Bolton Road retail parks and Blackburn town centre. M.DANNY
  • Score: -50

6:14pm Sat 2 Aug 14

ConcernedOssy says...

woolywords wrote:
ConcernedOssy wrote:
Bellypork wrote:
Who are the people in the picture? Come forward and let us all know why you are against this, what would have been a positive move for Blackburn.
One of them is "REGENERATION" BOSS MAUREEN BATESON,another forward thinker,NOT !!!! More like DEGENERATION !!!
Hey..
OssyBolacks, I live here in Blackburn and if our Mo needs another thumping, it's not your place to do it..
Stop coming round here and trying to incite riot, when they need people like you at the local Beetle drive, cribbage club, domino nights, or whatever..
You do know how to play Whist, don't you..there's a Whist drive coming up soon..
and while your Granny is teaching you that; get her to teach you, to suck eggs..
...
Admin, Admin, Am being harassed by people in Oswaldderpwhitsle, or however they spell it..
Should I complain to you, or AOL?
WoolyGob get stuffed. For your info I own 6 properties in Blackburn and know the retail estate very well I also know it now has in fact 2 entrances and exits not 1 as quoted. Furthermore I am as much entitled to my opinion if not more, than you are with your with mostly arrogant and uninformed views. I'll leave the bingo and knitting clubs to you. I will continue to say and do what I want when I want. Get your complaints to A O L if that is your desire. Think you need to be taking more water with whatever you have been on. Surprised your not on the council with your antiquated outlook.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ConcernedOssy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bellypork[/bold] wrote: Who are the people in the picture? Come forward and let us all know why you are against this, what would have been a positive move for Blackburn.[/p][/quote]One of them is "REGENERATION" BOSS MAUREEN BATESON,another forward thinker,NOT !!!! More like DEGENERATION !!![/p][/quote]Hey.. OssyBolacks, I live here in Blackburn and if our Mo needs another thumping, it's not your place to do it.. Stop coming round here and trying to incite riot, when they need people like you at the local Beetle drive, cribbage club, domino nights, or whatever.. You do know how to play Whist, don't you..there's a Whist drive coming up soon.. and while your Granny is teaching you that; get her to teach you, to suck eggs.. ... Admin, Admin, Am being harassed by people in Oswaldderpwhitsle, or however they spell it.. Should I complain to you, or AOL?[/p][/quote]WoolyGob get stuffed. For your info I own 6 properties in Blackburn and know the retail estate very well I also know it now has in fact 2 entrances and exits not 1 as quoted. Furthermore I am as much entitled to my opinion if not more, than you are with your with mostly arrogant and uninformed views. I'll leave the bingo and knitting clubs to you. I will continue to say and do what I want when I want. Get your complaints to A O L if that is your desire. Think you need to be taking more water with whatever you have been on. Surprised your not on the council with your antiquated outlook. ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 51

6:29pm Sat 2 Aug 14

woolywords says...

Seriously though..
Many of the shops that are located in the Peel Centre, used to be within Blackburn..
You know whom..
Am not going to bore you with a list like M.Danny/Modan does, so well..
Much as I love him, for plain facts.
...
And they left because?
...
The Mall has installed sensors, to track traffic, in and out of shops.
Where shoppers look at prices, then go home and order online..
...
Let's do the Math here..
Elsewhere, you get free parking.
In Blackburn, you are charged or penalised for parking..
in shops, overcharged..
...
I want a very cheap spray, to clean the microfilm viewer in Blackburn library; something that I already thought that I had paid for..
Apparently not..
Today, it was so filthy, that I gave up attempting to do my research..
I asked for cleansing materials but, given her best efforts, nothing worked. And I truly appreciate her best efforts, I really do.
Way beyond her remit of Librarian..
Though I do admit that, given her knowledge of books, I did fancy her..
...
So on Monday, I will return, to do my research, armed with clean cloth and glass cleaner..
But, know this.. I will write, in the dust atop of that machine..
Wooly was here..
So that you will know the truth of what I write here..
...
Am told that, in Darwen, they have 'Friends of the Library'..
To that end, anyone want to join,
Enemies of Blackburn Library?
Where the erudite stick together, like araldite, creating an cohesive bond of near, Quis separabit; which has terrorist connotations..
That should scare them..
...
Back in the day.. Heinrich Heine wrote..
You're lovely as a flower,
So pure and fair to see;
I look at you, and sadness
Comes stealing over me.
Eh?
Ermm, wrong quote....
He wrote..
Dort wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen.
What?
Useless Google Translate..
...
I give up..
Bye.
Seriously though.. Many of the shops that are located in the Peel Centre, used to be within Blackburn.. You know whom.. Am not going to bore you with a list like M.Danny/Modan does, so well.. Much as I love him, for plain facts. ... And they left because? ... The Mall has installed sensors, to track traffic, in and out of shops. Where shoppers look at prices, then go home and order online.. ... Let's do the Math here.. Elsewhere, you get free parking. In Blackburn, you are charged or penalised for parking.. in shops, overcharged.. ... I want a very cheap spray, to clean the microfilm viewer in Blackburn library; something that I already thought that I had paid for.. Apparently not.. Today, it was so filthy, that I gave up attempting to do my research.. I asked for cleansing materials but, given her best efforts, nothing worked. And I truly appreciate her best efforts, I really do. Way beyond her remit of Librarian.. Though I do admit that, given her knowledge of books, I did fancy her.. ... So on Monday, I will return, to do my research, armed with clean cloth and glass cleaner.. But, know this.. I will write, in the dust atop of that machine.. Wooly was here.. So that you will know the truth of what I write here.. ... Am told that, in Darwen, they have 'Friends of the Library'.. To that end, anyone want to join, Enemies of Blackburn Library? Where the erudite stick together, like araldite, creating an cohesive bond of near, Quis separabit; which has terrorist connotations.. That should scare them.. ... Back in the day.. Heinrich Heine wrote.. You're lovely as a flower, So pure and fair to see; I look at you, and sadness Comes stealing over me. Eh? Ermm, wrong quote.... He wrote.. Dort wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen. What? Useless Google Translate.. ... I give up.. Bye. woolywords
  • Score: -52

7:12pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Happy-Dude says...

Why couldnt traders fight as hard to stop the bus station rejeneration that has been there for 100 or so years. Anyway bye bye history and now bye bye consumers. Do these judges realise that the less and less things that blackburn have then we will still accept it. Waves going, nightlife going and the things I have mentioned above then blackburn will be a ghost town as everyone goes to other towns like preston, bolton and other nearby towns and totally miss out pound shop tat at blackburn and accy
Why couldnt traders fight as hard to stop the bus station rejeneration that has been there for 100 or so years. Anyway bye bye history and now bye bye consumers. Do these judges realise that the less and less things that blackburn have then we will still accept it. Waves going, nightlife going and the things I have mentioned above then blackburn will be a ghost town as everyone goes to other towns like preston, bolton and other nearby towns and totally miss out pound shop tat at blackburn and accy Happy-Dude
  • Score: 49

9:19pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Biscay says...

ConcernedOssy wrote:
Bellypork wrote:
Was anybody else consulted on this apart from those higher up? Yet again Blackburn lose out and offers so much for our future generations. Off to Preston now for a bit of shopping!!!!!!!
Yet another cracking decision made on the electors behalf by the brain dead Clowncil, who are devoid of all forward vision beyond their expenses,and seem intent on closing the now virtually derelict Blackburn Down completely. (It's a pity they are now taking Darwen and Accrington with them also) The Circus used to come once a year but now we have it everyday with this lot. Jack Straw retire in May !!! he's Been retired for years Enter stage left now,Hollern, the next star attraction to enter the ring !!!
How about sharing the detail of your "vision" for a thriving Blackburn Town Centre?
[quote][p][bold]ConcernedOssy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bellypork[/bold] wrote: Was anybody else consulted on this apart from those higher up? Yet again Blackburn lose out and offers so much for our future generations. Off to Preston now for a bit of shopping!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Yet another cracking decision made on the electors behalf by the brain dead Clowncil, who are devoid of all forward vision beyond their expenses,and seem intent on closing the now virtually derelict Blackburn Down completely. (It's a pity they are now taking Darwen and Accrington with them also) The Circus used to come once a year but now we have it everyday with this lot. Jack Straw retire in May !!! he's Been retired for years Enter stage left now,Hollern, the next star attraction to enter the ring !!![/p][/quote]How about sharing the detail of your "vision" for a thriving Blackburn Town Centre? Biscay
  • Score: -39

9:23pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Biscay says...

Barb-Dwyer wrote:
Why was I not given the option to vote on whether or not I wanted this development - thought we lived in a democracy. I see this as yet another decision made for me against my will.

I hate blackburn - expensive parking, same shops, not easy to get to.

I was looking forward to shopping here - convenient and free parking.

This has just given another reason to avoid the awful town centre
You were given the opportunity in May this year - i.e. the BwD local elections.
[quote][p][bold]Barb-Dwyer[/bold] wrote: Why was I not given the option to vote on whether or not I wanted this development - thought we lived in a democracy. I see this as yet another decision made for me against my will. I hate blackburn - expensive parking, same shops, not easy to get to. I was looking forward to shopping here - convenient and free parking. This has just given another reason to avoid the awful town centre[/p][/quote]You were given the opportunity in May this year - i.e. the BwD local elections. Biscay
  • Score: 44

10:22pm Sat 2 Aug 14

abetterblackburn says...

Jack Straw and council ‘lackey’ Kate Hollern have made a complete mess of the whole of Blackburn never mind the shopping centre. Just imagine what Blackburn will be like after Jack Straw hands over his ‘Blackburn Safe Seat’ to his ‘lackey’ next year.

Note: Lackey is typically used as a derogatory term for a servant with little or no self-respect who belittles himself/herself in order to gain an advantage.

Very little for Blackburn to look forwards to. Jack Straw’s retirement can be nothing other than a good thing for Blackburn but what a shame his ‘Safe Seat’ will go to another ‘Safe Seat’ politician. It will simply be a case of carrying on as usual.

Wouldn’t it be nice to have a home grown MP for Blackburn who actually wants to live here!
Jack Straw and council ‘lackey’ Kate Hollern have made a complete mess of the whole of Blackburn never mind the shopping centre. Just imagine what Blackburn will be like after Jack Straw hands over his ‘Blackburn Safe Seat’ to his ‘lackey’ next year. Note: Lackey is typically used as a derogatory term for a servant with little or no self-respect who belittles himself/herself in order to gain an advantage. Very little for Blackburn to look forwards to. Jack Straw’s retirement can be nothing other than a good thing for Blackburn but what a shame his ‘Safe Seat’ will go to another ‘Safe Seat’ politician. It will simply be a case of carrying on as usual. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a home grown MP for Blackburn who actually wants to live here! abetterblackburn
  • Score: 43

10:35pm Sat 2 Aug 14

danskeblaa says...

I find it extremely ironic that only in Blackburn could there be a celebration of a failed application for economic development and the prospect of jobs that go with it.

It is not as though Blackburn and Accrington town centres are real hives of activity. Whilst I understand the councils logic it seems starnge that other nearby towns can embrace an out of town retail developemnt without the town centres dying on their feet.

The record of economic regeneration in the borough has not been particularly succesful. I cannot see that this so called victory will transform the two towns in their ability to compete versus Preston and Bolton. Since the sixties the central planning culture has led to a town that presents a poor image to the outside world. I am afraid that the town faces no real political competition at local level so complaceny sets in and that results in a shabby output of activity. The towns have no nightime culture anymore, the shopping centre needs constant redevelopment and now the iconic Brewery of Thwaites has decided it too has had enough of the political games that go on in the town hall and will move out of the Borough.

I really hope that the town will reinvent itself and regain its vigour and ambition. Unfortunately I think the chance went some time ago and the result is one of the most depressing towns in the UK to visit. I see no leadership and vision in place for the town that will make it compete effectively in this new century.

By all means celebrate the small victory but I believe the town deserves better than what it has been given in the last 50 years.
I find it extremely ironic that only in Blackburn could there be a celebration of a failed application for economic development and the prospect of jobs that go with it. It is not as though Blackburn and Accrington town centres are real hives of activity. Whilst I understand the councils logic it seems starnge that other nearby towns can embrace an out of town retail developemnt without the town centres dying on their feet. The record of economic regeneration in the borough has not been particularly succesful. I cannot see that this so called victory will transform the two towns in their ability to compete versus Preston and Bolton. Since the sixties the central planning culture has led to a town that presents a poor image to the outside world. I am afraid that the town faces no real political competition at local level so complaceny sets in and that results in a shabby output of activity. The towns have no nightime culture anymore, the shopping centre needs constant redevelopment and now the iconic Brewery of Thwaites has decided it too has had enough of the political games that go on in the town hall and will move out of the Borough. I really hope that the town will reinvent itself and regain its vigour and ambition. Unfortunately I think the chance went some time ago and the result is one of the most depressing towns in the UK to visit. I see no leadership and vision in place for the town that will make it compete effectively in this new century. By all means celebrate the small victory but I believe the town deserves better than what it has been given in the last 50 years. danskeblaa
  • Score: 53

11:35pm Sat 2 Aug 14

the beaver says...

danskeblaa wrote:
I find it extremely ironic that only in Blackburn could there be a celebration of a failed application for economic development and the prospect of jobs that go with it.

It is not as though Blackburn and Accrington town centres are real hives of activity. Whilst I understand the councils logic it seems starnge that other nearby towns can embrace an out of town retail developemnt without the town centres dying on their feet.

The record of economic regeneration in the borough has not been particularly succesful. I cannot see that this so called victory will transform the two towns in their ability to compete versus Preston and Bolton. Since the sixties the central planning culture has led to a town that presents a poor image to the outside world. I am afraid that the town faces no real political competition at local level so complaceny sets in and that results in a shabby output of activity. The towns have no nightime culture anymore, the shopping centre needs constant redevelopment and now the iconic Brewery of Thwaites has decided it too has had enough of the political games that go on in the town hall and will move out of the Borough.

I really hope that the town will reinvent itself and regain its vigour and ambition. Unfortunately I think the chance went some time ago and the result is one of the most depressing towns in the UK to visit. I see no leadership and vision in place for the town that will make it compete effectively in this new century.

By all means celebrate the small victory but I believe the town deserves better than what it has been given in the last 50 years.
straw has destroyed this town when you look back what has he achieved? I remember when Tommy Ball opened a Victorian market proper open air market with a shoe shine boy with his shoe shine box Darren Whiteoak still see him knocking about town. Tommy did ia proper job yet straw and his cronnies followed Tommy round the town with double yellow lines always taking him to court shutting his businesses. Just like poundstretchers today this council has never backed businesses only interested in keeping the town poor to safeguard the votes.
[quote][p][bold]danskeblaa[/bold] wrote: I find it extremely ironic that only in Blackburn could there be a celebration of a failed application for economic development and the prospect of jobs that go with it. It is not as though Blackburn and Accrington town centres are real hives of activity. Whilst I understand the councils logic it seems starnge that other nearby towns can embrace an out of town retail developemnt without the town centres dying on their feet. The record of economic regeneration in the borough has not been particularly succesful. I cannot see that this so called victory will transform the two towns in their ability to compete versus Preston and Bolton. Since the sixties the central planning culture has led to a town that presents a poor image to the outside world. I am afraid that the town faces no real political competition at local level so complaceny sets in and that results in a shabby output of activity. The towns have no nightime culture anymore, the shopping centre needs constant redevelopment and now the iconic Brewery of Thwaites has decided it too has had enough of the political games that go on in the town hall and will move out of the Borough. I really hope that the town will reinvent itself and regain its vigour and ambition. Unfortunately I think the chance went some time ago and the result is one of the most depressing towns in the UK to visit. I see no leadership and vision in place for the town that will make it compete effectively in this new century. By all means celebrate the small victory but I believe the town deserves better than what it has been given in the last 50 years.[/p][/quote]straw has destroyed this town when you look back what has he achieved? I remember when Tommy Ball opened a Victorian market proper open air market with a shoe shine boy with his shoe shine box Darren Whiteoak still see him knocking about town. Tommy did ia proper job yet straw and his cronnies followed Tommy round the town with double yellow lines always taking him to court shutting his businesses. Just like poundstretchers today this council has never backed businesses only interested in keeping the town poor to safeguard the votes. the beaver
  • Score: 55

11:53pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Can we take a step back says...

Surely a more pertinent question should be,
Why was Blackburn risking £60,000 (with a potential payout of millions in compensation) of council taxpayers money on an issue that is in reality none of it's business?
What is or isn't sold at Whitebirk is entirely for Hyndburn Council to decide as it falls under their planning remit.
Surely a more pertinent question should be, Why was Blackburn risking £60,000 (with a potential payout of millions in compensation) of council taxpayers money on an issue that is in reality none of it's business? What is or isn't sold at Whitebirk is entirely for Hyndburn Council to decide as it falls under their planning remit. Can we take a step back
  • Score: 53

1:44am Sun 3 Aug 14

Pan-cake says...

Excluded again wrote:
If you don't care whether or not our town centres survive, then this ruling will disappoint you. If you want more and more of the green belts around our towns and cities to be built on by out of town shopping centres then this ruling will disappoint you.

But if you think that the survival of our town centres is important and that it is madness to keep building huge shopping centres on green fields to leave empty and derelict shops in urban areas, then this ruling will be music to your ears.
As I recall there used to be a power station on this site. Some green belt.
This decision was about a change of use to an existing retail park not concreting grass.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: If you don't care whether or not our town centres survive, then this ruling will disappoint you. If you want more and more of the green belts around our towns and cities to be built on by out of town shopping centres then this ruling will disappoint you. But if you think that the survival of our town centres is important and that it is madness to keep building huge shopping centres on green fields to leave empty and derelict shops in urban areas, then this ruling will be music to your ears.[/p][/quote]As I recall there used to be a power station on this site. Some green belt. This decision was about a change of use to an existing retail park not concreting grass. Pan-cake
  • Score: 44

9:43am Sun 3 Aug 14

shytalk says...

They should build a mosk on it...They don't seem to have enough mosks in Blackburn
They should build a mosk on it...They don't seem to have enough mosks in Blackburn shytalk
  • Score: -1

9:47am Sun 3 Aug 14

shytalk says...

shytalk wrote:
They should build a mosk on it...They don't seem to have enough mosks in Blackburn
Better still a synagogue. Now that would supply some real entertainment for the police.
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: They should build a mosk on it...They don't seem to have enough mosks in Blackburn[/p][/quote]Better still a synagogue. Now that would supply some real entertainment for the police. shytalk
  • Score: 2

9:57am Sun 3 Aug 14

danskeblaa says...

Pan cake I also recall this being an ex collliery site way back when so it is hardly beautiful green belt.

I just hope those who influenced this decision now give Blackburn a town it can be proud of as we all know currently it is a real mess. From Furthergate, Eanam, Larkill into the town centre it is one depressing outlook. How is that going to ever attract new employers to come and create jobs.

Those responsible have to take a long hard look at themselves. Blackburn has had it's heart ripped out commercially and major employers who could bring some much needed footfall are deciding it is better to leave.

It is time for the council to step up to the plate or let someone else do it for them.
Pan cake I also recall this being an ex collliery site way back when so it is hardly beautiful green belt. I just hope those who influenced this decision now give Blackburn a town it can be proud of as we all know currently it is a real mess. From Furthergate, Eanam, Larkill into the town centre it is one depressing outlook. How is that going to ever attract new employers to come and create jobs. Those responsible have to take a long hard look at themselves. Blackburn has had it's heart ripped out commercially and major employers who could bring some much needed footfall are deciding it is better to leave. It is time for the council to step up to the plate or let someone else do it for them. danskeblaa
  • Score: 50

12:38pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

shytalk wrote:
shytalk wrote:
They should build a mosk on it...They don't seem to have enough mosks in Blackburn
Better still a synagogue. Now that would supply some real entertainment for the police.
With iron Dome?
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: They should build a mosk on it...They don't seem to have enough mosks in Blackburn[/p][/quote]Better still a synagogue. Now that would supply some real entertainment for the police.[/p][/quote]With iron Dome? Michael@ClitheroeSince58
  • Score: -4

1:23pm Sun 3 Aug 14

shytalk says...

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58
wrote:
shytalk wrote:
shytalk wrote:
They should build a mosk on it...They don't seem to have enough mosks in Blackburn
Better still a synagogue. Now that would supply some real entertainment for the police.
With iron Dome?
Yep to stop rockets being fired from Audley and Little Harwood
[quote][p][bold]Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: They should build a mosk on it...They don't seem to have enough mosks in Blackburn[/p][/quote]Better still a synagogue. Now that would supply some real entertainment for the police.[/p][/quote]With iron Dome?[/p][/quote]Yep to stop rockets being fired from Audley and Little Harwood shytalk
  • Score: 33

2:04pm Sun 3 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

Blackburn is one of most deprived town in UK ,the town has made some improvements in town centre over the last twenty years with regeneration money spent on regenerating the area around the town centre and Whalley Range.There has been lot of improvements made in Darwen Street,King Street King William Street, Northgate Penny Street and Ainsworth Street.
The Mall Shopping centre invested around £80 million ,the demolishing old markets a new bus station is going to be completed and the Boulevard will be transformed with a four star hotel and offices.There is improvements around Blackburn college with University centre built and the new Health centre.The Orbital road needs to be completed from Montague street linking the Wainwright Bridge .
There are plans by BwD council for further developments like the Frackleton Street area ,Thwaites site and old police station in Northgate.
Blackburn retail sector has reached it's optimum and there should be no more plans for more retail sector as there are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre.
Blackburn is one of most deprived town in UK ,the town has made some improvements in town centre over the last twenty years with regeneration money spent on regenerating the area around the town centre and Whalley Range.There has been lot of improvements made in Darwen Street,King Street King William Street, Northgate Penny Street and Ainsworth Street. The Mall Shopping centre invested around £80 million ,the demolishing old markets a new bus station is going to be completed and the Boulevard will be transformed with a four star hotel and offices.There is improvements around Blackburn college with University centre built and the new Health centre.The Orbital road needs to be completed from Montague street linking the Wainwright Bridge . There are plans by BwD council for further developments like the Frackleton Street area ,Thwaites site and old police station in Northgate. Blackburn retail sector has reached it's optimum and there should be no more plans for more retail sector as there are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre. M.DANNY
  • Score: -46

2:24pm Sun 3 Aug 14

burner says...

M DANNY . . . . you mentioned many changes there ( most positive ) but there can be no mention of extra , accessible parking , can there ? That's because the fools on the Corporation think we all tie our horses up outside town and get t' tram in t' t'shops !! The main purveyor being the Co-operative Society.
M DANNY . . . . you mentioned many changes there ( most positive ) but there can be no mention of extra , accessible parking , can there ? That's because the fools on the Corporation think we all tie our horses up outside town and get t' tram in t' t'shops !! The main purveyor being the Co-operative Society. burner
  • Score: 39

4:07pm Sun 3 Aug 14

A Darener says...

Blackburn retail sector has reached it's optimum and there should be no more plans for more retail sector as there are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre.

Rubbish! The main reasons shops are struggling is PARKING charges. I for one would go shopping in Blackburn if access and parking were improved.
Larger retailers would come to Blackburn if footfall was improved. There is no incentive to shop in the town.
Blackburn retail sector has reached it's optimum and there should be no more plans for more retail sector as there are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre. Rubbish! The main reasons shops are struggling is PARKING charges. I for one would go shopping in Blackburn if access and parking were improved. Larger retailers would come to Blackburn if footfall was improved. There is no incentive to shop in the town. A Darener
  • Score: 34

9:32pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Scott Graham says...

shytalk wrote:
They should build a mosk on it...They don't seem to have enough mosks in Blackburn
And what has this story has got to do with race? Some people really can't help themselves... sad!
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: They should build a mosk on it...They don't seem to have enough mosks in Blackburn[/p][/quote]And what has this story has got to do with race? Some people really can't help themselves... sad! Scott Graham
  • Score: -17

9:50pm Sun 3 Aug 14

PlasticD says...

It's a good job that BWD and Hyndburn were fighting the case. It would have been a totally different outcome if the buffons in Ribble Valley council had been involved.
It's a good job that BWD and Hyndburn were fighting the case. It would have been a totally different outcome if the buffons in Ribble Valley council had been involved. PlasticD
  • Score: -24

10:11pm Sun 3 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

A Darener wrote:
Blackburn retail sector has reached it's optimum and there should be no more plans for more retail sector as there are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre.

Rubbish! The main reasons shops are struggling is PARKING charges. I for one would go shopping in Blackburn if access and parking were improved.
Larger retailers would come to Blackburn if footfall was improved. There is no incentive to shop in the town.
Parking charges in Preston and Bolton is a lot higher and if you compared Blackburn parking charges is a lot lower than many towns and cities in North.
Many high street shops in many towns in UK have closed down due to out of town retail parks and on line shopping.Shopping habits are changing and many folks don't visit high street shops anymore.
Blackburn has the most shop vacancy in country.
Blackburn Council should help retailers around Darwen street KIng William Street Northgate by scrapping parking charges.But you are talking about access ,Blackburn town centre has lot better access and parking than Preston and Bolton.You can drive straight up the Mall car parks and Morrison car parks within minutes.Large retailers would come to Blackburn if footfall was improved. Blackburn has attracted large retailers to town since the extension of the of the Mall shopping centre, Primark H&M Top Shops USC Banks Pandora Costa Coffee and in future i want to see more big names coming to Blackburn Mall likes of Jack&Jones Clas Ohlson, Build a bear workshop, Disney store Monsoon Zara Pondland etc etc Footfall to Blackburn town centre has increased by 20% since the opening of the Mall shopping centre , There are some number of empty shop units empty but hopefully people will be encouraged to open other shops in town centre
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Blackburn retail sector has reached it's optimum and there should be no more plans for more retail sector as there are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre. Rubbish! The main reasons shops are struggling is PARKING charges. I for one would go shopping in Blackburn if access and parking were improved. Larger retailers would come to Blackburn if footfall was improved. There is no incentive to shop in the town.[/p][/quote]Parking charges in Preston and Bolton is a lot higher and if you compared Blackburn parking charges is a lot lower than many towns and cities in North. Many high street shops in many towns in UK have closed down due to out of town retail parks and on line shopping.Shopping habits are changing and many folks don't visit high street shops anymore. Blackburn has the most shop vacancy in country. Blackburn Council should help retailers around Darwen street KIng William Street Northgate by scrapping parking charges.But you are talking about access ,Blackburn town centre has lot better access and parking than Preston and Bolton.You can drive straight up the Mall car parks and Morrison car parks within minutes.Large retailers would come to Blackburn if footfall was improved. Blackburn has attracted large retailers to town since the extension of the of the Mall shopping centre, Primark H&M Top Shops USC Banks Pandora Costa Coffee and in future i want to see more big names coming to Blackburn Mall likes of Jack&Jones Clas Ohlson, Build a bear workshop, Disney store Monsoon Zara Pondland etc etc Footfall to Blackburn town centre has increased by 20% since the opening of the Mall shopping centre , There are some number of empty shop units empty but hopefully people will be encouraged to open other shops in town centre M.DANNY
  • Score: -28

10:35pm Sun 3 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

PlasticD wrote:
It's a good job that BWD and Hyndburn were fighting the case. It would have been a totally different outcome if the buffons in Ribble Valley council had been involved.
Blackburn council were right to stop that development at Whitebirk and the Titherbarn project in Preston,that would have harmed the economies of Blackburn town centre's economy.
Blackburn and Blackpool Council put up fight to stop Preston Titherbarn Project. Blackburn and Hyndburn Council took on Peel Group to stop them putting up food and clothing stores at Whitebirk that would harmed the Blackburn and Accrington town centre economies.
[quote][p][bold]PlasticD[/bold] wrote: It's a good job that BWD and Hyndburn were fighting the case. It would have been a totally different outcome if the buffons in Ribble Valley council had been involved.[/p][/quote]Blackburn council were right to stop that development at Whitebirk and the Titherbarn project in Preston,that would have harmed the economies of Blackburn town centre's economy. Blackburn and Blackpool Council put up fight to stop Preston Titherbarn Project. Blackburn and Hyndburn Council took on Peel Group to stop them putting up food and clothing stores at Whitebirk that would harmed the Blackburn and Accrington town centre economies. M.DANNY
  • Score: -29

10:48pm Sun 3 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

shytalk wrote:
Michael@ClitheroeSin

ce58
wrote:
shytalk wrote:
shytalk wrote:
They should build a mosk on it...They don't seem to have enough mosks in Blackburn
Better still a synagogue. Now that would supply some real entertainment for the police.
With iron Dome?
Yep to stop rockets being fired from Audley and Little Harwood
Rockets are only fired on Guy fawkes night November 5th in all over England .I see many rockets fired from Darwen, Mill Hill, Shadsworth Roe Lee Wilpshire, Whalley Lower Darwen and Feniscowles.
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: They should build a mosk on it...They don't seem to have enough mosks in Blackburn[/p][/quote]Better still a synagogue. Now that would supply some real entertainment for the police.[/p][/quote]With iron Dome?[/p][/quote]Yep to stop rockets being fired from Audley and Little Harwood[/p][/quote]Rockets are only fired on Guy fawkes night November 5th in all over England .I see many rockets fired from Darwen, Mill Hill, Shadsworth Roe Lee Wilpshire, Whalley Lower Darwen and Feniscowles. M.DANNY
  • Score: -18

11:57pm Sun 3 Aug 14

CapitaBackHander says...

Just go online and shop.... Blackburn offers nothing. Trafford Centre or Reebok it is, if not available online bar B&Q.
Just go online and shop.... Blackburn offers nothing. Trafford Centre or Reebok it is, if not available online bar B&Q. CapitaBackHander
  • Score: 31

12:39am Mon 4 Aug 14

fireonthemountain says...

Well , I think it is time for some truth here .

Firstly , Blackburn is the most repellent town centre I have ever visited .

Assuming you can work out how to drive into the centre , and can find a place to park , taking care to avoid the "crash for cash" vermin .

Name me one shop worth entering .

Go on , just one . A quality shop selling quality goods , with professional staff .

Name me a pub or cafe . Same rules apply .

You can't can you ?

Blackburn night life ? - non-existant - too dangerous .

I spent last week in Glasgow . Much nicer , much friendlier .
Yes I was at The Games . Superb Hotel .

My money is spent in Bolton and Preston .

And Sainsbury's in Darwen .

Blackburn - you get nothing from me .
Well , apart from my rates - which you spend on pointless ego boosting schemes , overtime and expenses for the admin in their Ivory Towers .

PATHETIC .
Well , I think it is time for some truth here . Firstly , Blackburn is the most repellent town centre I have ever visited . Assuming you can work out how to drive into the centre , and can find a place to park , taking care to avoid the "crash for cash" vermin . Name me one shop worth entering . Go on , just one . A quality shop selling quality goods , with professional staff . Name me a pub or cafe . Same rules apply . You can't can you ? Blackburn night life ? - non-existant - too dangerous . I spent last week in Glasgow . Much nicer , much friendlier . Yes I was at The Games . Superb Hotel . My money is spent in Bolton and Preston . And Sainsbury's in Darwen . Blackburn - you get nothing from me . Well , apart from my rates - which you spend on pointless ego boosting schemes , overtime and expenses for the admin in their Ivory Towers . PATHETIC . fireonthemountain
  • Score: 37

2:26am Mon 4 Aug 14

dig for glory says...

Blackburn is a dump, would never dream of shopping there,the last time I went I felt intimated, it was scary!
Blackburn is a dump, would never dream of shopping there,the last time I went I felt intimated, it was scary! dig for glory
  • Score: 26

3:07am Mon 4 Aug 14

CorkyMac says...

Barb-Dwyer wrote:
Why was I not given the option to vote on whether or not I wanted this development - thought we lived in a democracy. I see this as yet another decision made for me against my will.

I hate blackburn - expensive parking, same shops, not easy to get to.

I was looking forward to shopping here - convenient and free parking.

This has just given another reason to avoid the awful town centre
Labour have ruined Blackburn, they couldn't run a corner shop, let alone a town. It really Is now or never to get rid of these clowns at the next general and local elections.
[quote][p][bold]Barb-Dwyer[/bold] wrote: Why was I not given the option to vote on whether or not I wanted this development - thought we lived in a democracy. I see this as yet another decision made for me against my will. I hate blackburn - expensive parking, same shops, not easy to get to. I was looking forward to shopping here - convenient and free parking. This has just given another reason to avoid the awful town centre[/p][/quote]Labour have ruined Blackburn, they couldn't run a corner shop, let alone a town. It really Is now or never to get rid of these clowns at the next general and local elections. CorkyMac
  • Score: 28

7:18am Mon 4 Aug 14

BuckoTheMoose says...

When a private corporation stands up to local councils, why is it always called bullying? I think it's the councils who do the bullying.

So now we have thrown out the option of a private company creating convenient shopping for consumers by investing it's own money and instead we have councils spending millions of pounds of taxpayers money to do it.

What a result. Not
When a private corporation stands up to local councils, why is it always called bullying? I think it's the councils who do the bullying. So now we have thrown out the option of a private company creating convenient shopping for consumers by investing it's own money and instead we have councils spending millions of pounds of taxpayers money to do it. What a result. Not BuckoTheMoose
  • Score: 33

7:57am Mon 4 Aug 14

A Darener says...

Don't know who M Danny is? But he is obviously paid by Blackburn Council!
Don't know who M Danny is? But he is obviously paid by Blackburn Council! A Darener
  • Score: -13

8:16am Mon 4 Aug 14

shytalk says...

M.DANNY wrote:
Blackburn is one of most deprived town in UK ,the town has made some improvements in town centre over the last twenty years with regeneration money spent on regenerating the area around the town centre and Whalley Range.There has been lot of improvements made in Darwen Street,King Street King William Street, Northgate Penny Street and Ainsworth Street.
The Mall Shopping centre invested around £80 million ,the demolishing old markets a new bus station is going to be completed and the Boulevard will be transformed with a four star hotel and offices.There is improvements around Blackburn college with University centre built and the new Health centre.The Orbital road needs to be completed from Montague street linking the Wainwright Bridge .
There are plans by BwD council for further developments like the Frackleton Street area ,Thwaites site and old police station in Northgate.
Blackburn retail sector has reached it's optimum and there should be no more plans for more retail sector as there are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre.
There are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre you say. Now ask yourself why and.take this any which way you want. The council and government have destroyed Blackburn. and it is now nothing more than an islamic ghetto. People do not feel safe when they see women wearing the Burqua everywhere. Suicide bombers come to mind. Go down Darwen st and all you see are muslim take aways. You can't drive across town easily now and parking is a joke. The train station is miles away from the bus station. Do i need to explain more about the mess that Blackburn now is?
[quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: Blackburn is one of most deprived town in UK ,the town has made some improvements in town centre over the last twenty years with regeneration money spent on regenerating the area around the town centre and Whalley Range.There has been lot of improvements made in Darwen Street,King Street King William Street, Northgate Penny Street and Ainsworth Street. The Mall Shopping centre invested around £80 million ,the demolishing old markets a new bus station is going to be completed and the Boulevard will be transformed with a four star hotel and offices.There is improvements around Blackburn college with University centre built and the new Health centre.The Orbital road needs to be completed from Montague street linking the Wainwright Bridge . There are plans by BwD council for further developments like the Frackleton Street area ,Thwaites site and old police station in Northgate. Blackburn retail sector has reached it's optimum and there should be no more plans for more retail sector as there are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre.[/p][/quote]There are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre you say. Now ask yourself why and.take this any which way you want. The council and government have destroyed Blackburn. and it is now nothing more than an islamic ghetto. People do not feel safe when they see women wearing the Burqua everywhere. Suicide bombers come to mind. Go down Darwen st and all you see are muslim take aways. You can't drive across town easily now and parking is a joke. The train station is miles away from the bus station. Do i need to explain more about the mess that Blackburn now is? shytalk
  • Score: -18

8:26am Mon 4 Aug 14

A Darener says...

I would imagine Blackburn is now one of the safest places in England to walk about. Suicide bombers are not going to blow up their own.
I would imagine Blackburn is now one of the safest places in England to walk about. Suicide bombers are not going to blow up their own. A Darener
  • Score: 25

8:31am Mon 4 Aug 14

Something Vague says...

The idea that this is a victory is absolutely ridiculous! Having worked in Blackburn, I have seen first hand the decline in the town centre....yes the mall and the new market were invested in heavily but lets face facts...people only use the market for the food court (how many mobile stalls do we need?) and people only enter the mall for Primark. Its all very well and good asking for the likes of Jack Jones etc. to take on an empty unit but in reality who would shop there? Blackburn is hardly thriving with the middle classes with a lot of expendable income!

The retail park would have provided an alternative and jobs in the local area...in short this is a victory for Trafford Centre and nobody else!
The idea that this is a victory is absolutely ridiculous! Having worked in Blackburn, I have seen first hand the decline in the town centre....yes the mall and the new market were invested in heavily but lets face facts...people only use the market for the food court (how many mobile stalls do we need?) and people only enter the mall for Primark. Its all very well and good asking for the likes of Jack Jones etc. to take on an empty unit but in reality who would shop there? Blackburn is hardly thriving with the middle classes with a lot of expendable income! The retail park would have provided an alternative and jobs in the local area...in short this is a victory for Trafford Centre and nobody else! Something Vague
  • Score: 30

10:24am Mon 4 Aug 14

Scott Graham says...

A Darener wrote:
I would imagine Blackburn is now one of the safest places in England to walk about. Suicide bombers are not going to blow up their own.
Yet more racist nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: I would imagine Blackburn is now one of the safest places in England to walk about. Suicide bombers are not going to blow up their own.[/p][/quote]Yet more racist nonsense. Scott Graham
  • Score: -7

10:28am Mon 4 Aug 14

hairy mary says...

So we all got held up in roadworks while they change the traffic lights system near whitebirk roundabout for what
So we all got held up in roadworks while they change the traffic lights system near whitebirk roundabout for what hairy mary
  • Score: 26

11:05am Mon 4 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

shytalk wrote:
M.DANNY wrote:
Blackburn is one of most deprived town in UK ,the town has made some improvements in town centre over the last twenty years with regeneration money spent on regenerating the area around the town centre and Whalley Range.There has been lot of improvements made in Darwen Street,King Street King William Street, Northgate Penny Street and Ainsworth Street.
The Mall Shopping centre invested around £80 million ,the demolishing old markets a new bus station is going to be completed and the Boulevard will be transformed with a four star hotel and offices.There is improvements around Blackburn college with University centre built and the new Health centre.The Orbital road needs to be completed from Montague street linking the Wainwright Bridge .
There are plans by BwD council for further developments like the Frackleton Street area ,Thwaites site and old police station in Northgate.
Blackburn retail sector has reached it's optimum and there should be no more plans for more retail sector as there are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre.
There are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre you say. Now ask yourself why and.take this any which way you want. The council and government have destroyed Blackburn. and it is now nothing more than an islamic ghetto. People do not feel safe when they see women wearing the Burqua everywhere. Suicide bombers come to mind. Go down Darwen st and all you see are muslim take aways. You can't drive across town easily now and parking is a joke. The train station is miles away from the bus station. Do i need to explain more about the mess that Blackburn now is?
There are large number of Muslims in Preston Bolton Manchester and London has the largest Muslim community of about 1 million.So is Blackburn any different to other place ?
Keep your keep your offensive comment out of this site i wonder why Lancashire Telegraph take note of this offensive post.
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: Blackburn is one of most deprived town in UK ,the town has made some improvements in town centre over the last twenty years with regeneration money spent on regenerating the area around the town centre and Whalley Range.There has been lot of improvements made in Darwen Street,King Street King William Street, Northgate Penny Street and Ainsworth Street. The Mall Shopping centre invested around £80 million ,the demolishing old markets a new bus station is going to be completed and the Boulevard will be transformed with a four star hotel and offices.There is improvements around Blackburn college with University centre built and the new Health centre.The Orbital road needs to be completed from Montague street linking the Wainwright Bridge . There are plans by BwD council for further developments like the Frackleton Street area ,Thwaites site and old police station in Northgate. Blackburn retail sector has reached it's optimum and there should be no more plans for more retail sector as there are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre.[/p][/quote]There are many shop units lying empty in Blackburn town centre you say. Now ask yourself why and.take this any which way you want. The council and government have destroyed Blackburn. and it is now nothing more than an islamic ghetto. People do not feel safe when they see women wearing the Burqua everywhere. Suicide bombers come to mind. Go down Darwen st and all you see are muslim take aways. You can't drive across town easily now and parking is a joke. The train station is miles away from the bus station. Do i need to explain more about the mess that Blackburn now is?[/p][/quote]There are large number of Muslims in Preston Bolton Manchester and London has the largest Muslim community of about 1 million.So is Blackburn any different to other place ? Keep your keep your offensive comment out of this site i wonder why Lancashire Telegraph take note of this offensive post. M.DANNY
  • Score: -21

11:08am Mon 4 Aug 14

Scott Graham says...

dig for glory wrote:
Blackburn is a dump, would never dream of shopping there,the last time I went I felt intimated, it was scary!
Blackburn, like most places, has its faults, but scary? Grow a pair!
[quote][p][bold]dig for glory[/bold] wrote: Blackburn is a dump, would never dream of shopping there,the last time I went I felt intimated, it was scary![/p][/quote]Blackburn, like most places, has its faults, but scary? Grow a pair! Scott Graham
  • Score: -19

12:04pm Mon 4 Aug 14

paperboy70 says...

Short sighted beyond belief. The council in both BwD and Hyndburn are living in cloud cuckoo land thinking that their town centres will return to their former glory days. Shopping habits are changing, consumers want easy access, free parking, big stores... and these out of town shopping parks provide this perfectly. Town centres need to be downsized and empty stores turned into domestic residences. We can't escape progress and consumer choice and the councils need to read the responses to the ruling on here and start representing the people who pay the council tax and vote them in. If I owned the Whitebirk site, I'd put it up for sale sharpish and invest my money in a town that clearly knows what its people want!
Short sighted beyond belief. The council in both BwD and Hyndburn are living in cloud cuckoo land thinking that their town centres will return to their former glory days. Shopping habits are changing, consumers want easy access, free parking, big stores... and these out of town shopping parks provide this perfectly. Town centres need to be downsized and empty stores turned into domestic residences. We can't escape progress and consumer choice and the councils need to read the responses to the ruling on here and start representing the people who pay the council tax and vote them in. If I owned the Whitebirk site, I'd put it up for sale sharpish and invest my money in a town that clearly knows what its people want! paperboy70
  • Score: 27

7:23pm Mon 4 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

paperboy70 wrote:
Short sighted beyond belief. The council in both BwD and Hyndburn are living in cloud cuckoo land thinking that their town centres will return to their former glory days. Shopping habits are changing, consumers want easy access, free parking, big stores... and these out of town shopping parks provide this perfectly. Town centres need to be downsized and empty stores turned into domestic residences. We can't escape progress and consumer choice and the councils need to read the responses to the ruling on here and start representing the people who pay the council tax and vote them in. If I owned the Whitebirk site, I'd put it up for sale sharpish and invest my money in a town that clearly knows what its people want!
You are wrong towns and cities with large Shopping malls do better than towns without large shopping malls.I have been to towns and cities in North England and towns like Preston Bolton Blackburn Wakefield Huddersfield Doncaster Oldham are doing than smaller towns without large shopping malls likes of Accrington Dewsbury Clitheroe Darwen .
Blackburn has it's footfall increased since the opening of new Mall shopping centre by 20% .Blackburn could increase it's footfall again by opening the new state of the art bus station next year .
We all know today in 21st century shopping habits are changing with out of town superstores, retail parks and online shopping.There are 75% of the population still visit their town centres for shopping and leisure.
Small towns will be downsized but larger towns like Blackburn will prosper with bigger attractions eg Mall shopping centre , King George Hall University/College , big Library ,Museum fun pool, eateries,nightclubs .
[quote][p][bold]paperboy70[/bold] wrote: Short sighted beyond belief. The council in both BwD and Hyndburn are living in cloud cuckoo land thinking that their town centres will return to their former glory days. Shopping habits are changing, consumers want easy access, free parking, big stores... and these out of town shopping parks provide this perfectly. Town centres need to be downsized and empty stores turned into domestic residences. We can't escape progress and consumer choice and the councils need to read the responses to the ruling on here and start representing the people who pay the council tax and vote them in. If I owned the Whitebirk site, I'd put it up for sale sharpish and invest my money in a town that clearly knows what its people want![/p][/quote]You are wrong towns and cities with large Shopping malls do better than towns without large shopping malls.I have been to towns and cities in North England and towns like Preston Bolton Blackburn Wakefield Huddersfield Doncaster Oldham are doing than smaller towns without large shopping malls likes of Accrington Dewsbury Clitheroe Darwen . Blackburn has it's footfall increased since the opening of new Mall shopping centre by 20% .Blackburn could increase it's footfall again by opening the new state of the art bus station next year . We all know today in 21st century shopping habits are changing with out of town superstores, retail parks and online shopping.There are 75% of the population still visit their town centres for shopping and leisure. Small towns will be downsized but larger towns like Blackburn will prosper with bigger attractions eg Mall shopping centre , King George Hall University/College , big Library ,Museum fun pool, eateries,nightclubs . M.DANNY
  • Score: -21

9:47pm Mon 4 Aug 14

phil kernot says...

ConcernedOssy wrote:
anniehargs wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
If you don't care whether or not our town centres survive, then this ruling will disappoint you. If you want more and more of the green belts around our towns and cities to be built on by out of town shopping centres then this ruling will disappoint you.

But if you think that the survival of our town centres is important and that it is madness to keep building huge shopping centres on green fields to leave empty and derelict shops in urban areas, then this ruling will be music to your ears.
Point one - it's not green belt, it's a brown field site. Point two - due to the Open Source Planning Policy implemented by BWD Borough Council (Maureen Bateson as Regeneration Officer is part of this process) green field sites are actively being ear-marked for housing. 85 homes already in the final planning process for Parsonage Road for example (with more to follow). To suggest that Peel Holdings are responsible for redeveloping on green field sites, in this instance, is factually inaccurate. The finger of blame should be squarely pointed at BWD Council.
Looking at the state of Bateson in the Picture she NEVER GOES SHOPPING !!! LOL
Maureen Bateson she just roots in skips for clothes lol
[quote][p][bold]ConcernedOssy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anniehargs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: If you don't care whether or not our town centres survive, then this ruling will disappoint you. If you want more and more of the green belts around our towns and cities to be built on by out of town shopping centres then this ruling will disappoint you. But if you think that the survival of our town centres is important and that it is madness to keep building huge shopping centres on green fields to leave empty and derelict shops in urban areas, then this ruling will be music to your ears.[/p][/quote]Point one - it's not green belt, it's a brown field site. Point two - due to the Open Source Planning Policy implemented by BWD Borough Council (Maureen Bateson as Regeneration Officer is part of this process) green field sites are actively being ear-marked for housing. 85 homes already in the final planning process for Parsonage Road for example (with more to follow). To suggest that Peel Holdings are responsible for redeveloping on green field sites, in this instance, is factually inaccurate. The finger of blame should be squarely pointed at BWD Council.[/p][/quote]Looking at the state of Bateson in the Picture she NEVER GOES SHOPPING !!! LOL[/p][/quote]Maureen Bateson she just roots in skips for clothes lol phil kernot
  • Score: 18

10:15pm Mon 4 Aug 14

ConcernedOssy says...

phil kernot wrote:
ConcernedOssy wrote:
anniehargs wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
If you don't care whether or not our town centres survive, then this ruling will disappoint you. If you want more and more of the green belts around our towns and cities to be built on by out of town shopping centres then this ruling will disappoint you.

But if you think that the survival of our town centres is important and that it is madness to keep building huge shopping centres on green fields to leave empty and derelict shops in urban areas, then this ruling will be music to your ears.
Point one - it's not green belt, it's a brown field site. Point two - due to the Open Source Planning Policy implemented by BWD Borough Council (Maureen Bateson as Regeneration Officer is part of this process) green field sites are actively being ear-marked for housing. 85 homes already in the final planning process for Parsonage Road for example (with more to follow). To suggest that Peel Holdings are responsible for redeveloping on green field sites, in this instance, is factually inaccurate. The finger of blame should be squarely pointed at BWD Council.
Looking at the state of Bateson in the Picture she NEVER GOES SHOPPING !!! LOL
Maureen Bateson she just roots in skips for clothes lol
Her hands look very big in the pic. Lol
[quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ConcernedOssy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anniehargs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: If you don't care whether or not our town centres survive, then this ruling will disappoint you. If you want more and more of the green belts around our towns and cities to be built on by out of town shopping centres then this ruling will disappoint you. But if you think that the survival of our town centres is important and that it is madness to keep building huge shopping centres on green fields to leave empty and derelict shops in urban areas, then this ruling will be music to your ears.[/p][/quote]Point one - it's not green belt, it's a brown field site. Point two - due to the Open Source Planning Policy implemented by BWD Borough Council (Maureen Bateson as Regeneration Officer is part of this process) green field sites are actively being ear-marked for housing. 85 homes already in the final planning process for Parsonage Road for example (with more to follow). To suggest that Peel Holdings are responsible for redeveloping on green field sites, in this instance, is factually inaccurate. The finger of blame should be squarely pointed at BWD Council.[/p][/quote]Looking at the state of Bateson in the Picture she NEVER GOES SHOPPING !!! LOL[/p][/quote]Maureen Bateson she just roots in skips for clothes lol[/p][/quote]Her hands look very big in the pic. Lol ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 17

1:04pm Tue 5 Aug 14

paperboy70 says...

M.DANNY wrote:
paperboy70 wrote:
Short sighted beyond belief. The council in both BwD and Hyndburn are living in cloud cuckoo land thinking that their town centres will return to their former glory days. Shopping habits are changing, consumers want easy access, free parking, big stores... and these out of town shopping parks provide this perfectly. Town centres need to be downsized and empty stores turned into domestic residences. We can't escape progress and consumer choice and the councils need to read the responses to the ruling on here and start representing the people who pay the council tax and vote them in. If I owned the Whitebirk site, I'd put it up for sale sharpish and invest my money in a town that clearly knows what its people want!
You are wrong towns and cities with large Shopping malls do better than towns without large shopping malls.I have been to towns and cities in North England and towns like Preston Bolton Blackburn Wakefield Huddersfield Doncaster Oldham are doing than smaller towns without large shopping malls likes of Accrington Dewsbury Clitheroe Darwen .
Blackburn has it's footfall increased since the opening of new Mall shopping centre by 20% .Blackburn could increase it's footfall again by opening the new state of the art bus station next year .
We all know today in 21st century shopping habits are changing with out of town superstores, retail parks and online shopping.There are 75% of the population still visit their town centres for shopping and leisure.
Small towns will be downsized but larger towns like Blackburn will prosper with bigger attractions eg Mall shopping centre , King George Hall University/College , big Library ,Museum fun pool, eateries,nightclubs .
I don't think I said anything about towns with shopping centres doing better than traditional towns without one... you need to read my comments again! Blackburn has plenty of empty shops... you just need to stand on the steps of the town hall and you can see how many, some have been empty for years. If M&S wasn't on King William Street nobody would ever leave the Mall! A new bus station and the new Cathedral quarter isn't going to make more people come to Blackburn, it will only ever attract people who live here or within smaller local towns and can be bothered to tackle the ridiculous one way system and pay for their car parking.
[quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paperboy70[/bold] wrote: Short sighted beyond belief. The council in both BwD and Hyndburn are living in cloud cuckoo land thinking that their town centres will return to their former glory days. Shopping habits are changing, consumers want easy access, free parking, big stores... and these out of town shopping parks provide this perfectly. Town centres need to be downsized and empty stores turned into domestic residences. We can't escape progress and consumer choice and the councils need to read the responses to the ruling on here and start representing the people who pay the council tax and vote them in. If I owned the Whitebirk site, I'd put it up for sale sharpish and invest my money in a town that clearly knows what its people want![/p][/quote]You are wrong towns and cities with large Shopping malls do better than towns without large shopping malls.I have been to towns and cities in North England and towns like Preston Bolton Blackburn Wakefield Huddersfield Doncaster Oldham are doing than smaller towns without large shopping malls likes of Accrington Dewsbury Clitheroe Darwen . Blackburn has it's footfall increased since the opening of new Mall shopping centre by 20% .Blackburn could increase it's footfall again by opening the new state of the art bus station next year . We all know today in 21st century shopping habits are changing with out of town superstores, retail parks and online shopping.There are 75% of the population still visit their town centres for shopping and leisure. Small towns will be downsized but larger towns like Blackburn will prosper with bigger attractions eg Mall shopping centre , King George Hall University/College , big Library ,Museum fun pool, eateries,nightclubs .[/p][/quote]I don't think I said anything about towns with shopping centres doing better than traditional towns without one... you need to read my comments again! Blackburn has plenty of empty shops... you just need to stand on the steps of the town hall and you can see how many, some have been empty for years. If M&S wasn't on King William Street nobody would ever leave the Mall! A new bus station and the new Cathedral quarter isn't going to make more people come to Blackburn, it will only ever attract people who live here or within smaller local towns and can be bothered to tackle the ridiculous one way system and pay for their car parking. paperboy70
  • Score: 13

7:54pm Tue 5 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

paperboy70 wrote:
M.DANNY wrote:
paperboy70 wrote:
Short sighted beyond belief. The council in both BwD and Hyndburn are living in cloud cuckoo land thinking that their town centres will return to their former glory days. Shopping habits are changing, consumers want easy access, free parking, big stores... and these out of town shopping parks provide this perfectly. Town centres need to be downsized and empty stores turned into domestic residences. We can't escape progress and consumer choice and the councils need to read the responses to the ruling on here and start representing the people who pay the council tax and vote them in. If I owned the Whitebirk site, I'd put it up for sale sharpish and invest my money in a town that clearly knows what its people want!
You are wrong towns and cities with large Shopping malls do better than towns without large shopping malls.I have been to towns and cities in North England and towns like Preston Bolton Blackburn Wakefield Huddersfield Doncaster Oldham are doing than smaller towns without large shopping malls likes of Accrington Dewsbury Clitheroe Darwen .
Blackburn has it's footfall increased since the opening of new Mall shopping centre by 20% .Blackburn could increase it's footfall again by opening the new state of the art bus station next year .
We all know today in 21st century shopping habits are changing with out of town superstores, retail parks and online shopping.There are 75% of the population still visit their town centres for shopping and leisure.
Small towns will be downsized but larger towns like Blackburn will prosper with bigger attractions eg Mall shopping centre , King George Hall University/College , big Library ,Museum fun pool, eateries,nightclubs .
I don't think I said anything about towns with shopping centres doing better than traditional towns without one... you need to read my comments again! Blackburn has plenty of empty shops... you just need to stand on the steps of the town hall and you can see how many, some have been empty for years. If M&S wasn't on King William Street nobody would ever leave the Mall! A new bus station and the new Cathedral quarter isn't going to make more people come to Blackburn, it will only ever attract people who live here or within smaller local towns and can be bothered to tackle the ridiculous one way system and pay for their car parking.
Blackburn has attracted more visitors than last year thanks to the new Mall Shopping centre .More and more people are visiting Blackburn and the new Mall shopping centre has seen a increase in footfall by 20%.The catchment population of 500,000 around East Lancashire ,Blackburn is the major retail centre of East Lancashire with right sort of investment in retail and leisure industries Blackburn town centre could attract more folks.The opening of state of the art bus station next year could attract more shoppers to town.
Blackburn needs more investment in eateries good restaurants, night clubs,pubs and needs to more to to attract more high street stores to town centre.Like you say many empty shops around the town centre need to be filled.Fewer shops will attract fewer customers to town.
The Cathedral project and the new bus station could be the catalyst for bringing more people into Blackburn town centre.
[quote][p][bold]paperboy70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paperboy70[/bold] wrote: Short sighted beyond belief. The council in both BwD and Hyndburn are living in cloud cuckoo land thinking that their town centres will return to their former glory days. Shopping habits are changing, consumers want easy access, free parking, big stores... and these out of town shopping parks provide this perfectly. Town centres need to be downsized and empty stores turned into domestic residences. We can't escape progress and consumer choice and the councils need to read the responses to the ruling on here and start representing the people who pay the council tax and vote them in. If I owned the Whitebirk site, I'd put it up for sale sharpish and invest my money in a town that clearly knows what its people want![/p][/quote]You are wrong towns and cities with large Shopping malls do better than towns without large shopping malls.I have been to towns and cities in North England and towns like Preston Bolton Blackburn Wakefield Huddersfield Doncaster Oldham are doing than smaller towns without large shopping malls likes of Accrington Dewsbury Clitheroe Darwen . Blackburn has it's footfall increased since the opening of new Mall shopping centre by 20% .Blackburn could increase it's footfall again by opening the new state of the art bus station next year . We all know today in 21st century shopping habits are changing with out of town superstores, retail parks and online shopping.There are 75% of the population still visit their town centres for shopping and leisure. Small towns will be downsized but larger towns like Blackburn will prosper with bigger attractions eg Mall shopping centre , King George Hall University/College , big Library ,Museum fun pool, eateries,nightclubs .[/p][/quote]I don't think I said anything about towns with shopping centres doing better than traditional towns without one... you need to read my comments again! Blackburn has plenty of empty shops... you just need to stand on the steps of the town hall and you can see how many, some have been empty for years. If M&S wasn't on King William Street nobody would ever leave the Mall! A new bus station and the new Cathedral quarter isn't going to make more people come to Blackburn, it will only ever attract people who live here or within smaller local towns and can be bothered to tackle the ridiculous one way system and pay for their car parking.[/p][/quote]Blackburn has attracted more visitors than last year thanks to the new Mall Shopping centre .More and more people are visiting Blackburn and the new Mall shopping centre has seen a increase in footfall by 20%.The catchment population of 500,000 around East Lancashire ,Blackburn is the major retail centre of East Lancashire with right sort of investment in retail and leisure industries Blackburn town centre could attract more folks.The opening of state of the art bus station next year could attract more shoppers to town. Blackburn needs more investment in eateries good restaurants, night clubs,pubs and needs to more to to attract more high street stores to town centre.Like you say many empty shops around the town centre need to be filled.Fewer shops will attract fewer customers to town. The Cathedral project and the new bus station could be the catalyst for bringing more people into Blackburn town centre. M.DANNY
  • Score: -12

7:57am Wed 6 Aug 14

freddibnahsflatcap says...

If you want Blackburn to prosper get rid of the scroates. Ban the sale of Burberry caps and tracksuits. Put some shops in the town that people want to use.
If you want Blackburn to prosper get rid of the scroates. Ban the sale of Burberry caps and tracksuits. Put some shops in the town that people want to use. freddibnahsflatcap
  • Score: 10

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