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Blackburn pub fined for no TV licence

Lancashire Telegraph: The Observatory Hotel The Observatory Hotel

THE Observatory Hotel, in Blackburn, has been caught without a TV licence and told to pay £1,300.

The pub, in Old Bank Lane, was ordered to pay £1,000 by magistrates, the maximum possible fine, plus £200 court costs and a £100 victim surcharge, at a hearing at Blackburn Magistrates’ Court.

The fine was issued to Observatory Limited, a company which ran the pub, close to Royal Blackburn Hospital, up until four months ago when it was taken over by Rainbow Leisure Limited, who also installed new land-lord, Colin Foulkes.

The law states that any business that shows television, as it is being broad-cast, whether for customers’ use, or in staff areas, must be covered by a valid TV licence and if there is living accommodation on the premises where a TV is also in use, this must be covered by a separate licence.

Jenny Murphy, TV Lic-ensing spokesperson for the North, said: “We appr-eciate these are tough times for businesses but, to be fair to the majority who do pay the licence fee, we have to take action against those who watch TV illegally. We’d rather businesses think ahead and check if they need a lic- ence than risk being prosecuted.”

Sean Philburn, managing director of Rainbow Leisure Limited, said: “This fine was given to the previous tenant and I can confidently say that we have a TV licence and that it is paid each month by direct debit.

“We have only run this pub for four months and so it was nothing to do with us.

“We have a large screen TV to show football mat-ches on etc, and have three smaller televisions in the pub.”

A spokesperson for Thwaites brewery, which owns the pub, said: “We work closely with all our licensees to support them in the running of their business but, ultimately, the responsibility for the day-to-day running of the pub lies with them as individual entrepreneurs.

“In the past few months, new licensees have taken over the running of the Observatory and they are unconnected to this matter.”

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1:27pm Fri 2 May 14

ConcernedOssy says...

Another quiet day at LT !! I know let's badly write an article of earth shattering consequence. And at the same time take a swipe at the pub trade for a change !!!!!! Really
Another quiet day at LT !! I know let's badly write an article of earth shattering consequence. And at the same time take a swipe at the pub trade for a change !!!!!! Really ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 52

3:10pm Fri 2 May 14

Loving lances says...

Reporting on the LT will get worse as lots of the editorial jobs are being moved to Wales.
Reporting on the LT will get worse as lots of the editorial jobs are being moved to Wales. Loving lances
  • Score: 43

3:26pm Fri 2 May 14

ConcernedOssy says...

Loving lances wrote:
Reporting on the LT will get worse as lots of the editorial jobs are being moved to Wales.
Maybe then the odd story with any content worth reading will
Leek out !!!! (Problem will be translation). LOL.
[quote][p][bold]Loving lances[/bold] wrote: Reporting on the LT will get worse as lots of the editorial jobs are being moved to Wales.[/p][/quote]Maybe then the odd story with any content worth reading will Leek out !!!! (Problem will be translation). LOL. ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 44

5:31pm Fri 2 May 14

hugofakenham says...

Whats with all the hy-phena-ted words............
appre-ciate
mat-ches............
et-c

Is it a test?
Are the reporters asbotuley gmmar -at -acilly befret or is it a wind-up?
Fittingly, I see that the pub's owners are T-wa-t-s !
You cou-ldn't m-ake it u-p.
ffuggaw,ffugaw.
My mistakes on the computer are auto-under-lined with a spe-ll che-cker.
Has tech-nology not caught up with the L-T ye-t?
You'd think they'd take a bit of pri-de in their wo-rk.
Whats with all the hy-phena-ted words............ appre-ciate mat-ches............ et-c Is it a test? Are the reporters asbotuley gmmar -at -acilly befret or is it a wind-up? Fittingly, I see that the pub's owners are T-wa-t-s ! You cou-ldn't m-ake it u-p. ffuggaw,ffugaw. My mistakes on the computer are auto-under-lined with a spe-ll che-cker. Has tech-nology not caught up with the L-T ye-t? You'd think they'd take a bit of pri-de in their wo-rk. hugofakenham
  • Score: 33

5:31pm Fri 2 May 14

hugofakenham says...

Whats with all the hy-phena-ted words............
appre-ciate
mat-ches............
et-c

Is it a test?
Are the reporters asbotuley gmmar -at -acilly befret or is it a wind-up?
Fittingly, I see that the pub's owners are T-wa-t-s !
You cou-ldn't m-ake it u-p.
ffuggaw,ffugaw.
My mistakes on the computer are auto-under-lined with a spe-ll che-cker.
Has tech-nology not caught up with the L-T ye-t?
You'd think they'd take a bit of pri-de in their wo-rk.
Whats with all the hy-phena-ted words............ appre-ciate mat-ches............ et-c Is it a test? Are the reporters asbotuley gmmar -at -acilly befret or is it a wind-up? Fittingly, I see that the pub's owners are T-wa-t-s ! You cou-ldn't m-ake it u-p. ffuggaw,ffugaw. My mistakes on the computer are auto-under-lined with a spe-ll che-cker. Has tech-nology not caught up with the L-T ye-t? You'd think they'd take a bit of pri-de in their wo-rk. hugofakenham
  • Score: 27

5:47pm Fri 2 May 14

hairy mary says...

Ive no sympathy for the pub in question I have to pay my licence so they should pay for thiers :-)
Ive no sympathy for the pub in question I have to pay my licence so they should pay for thiers :-) hairy mary
  • Score: -25

6:33pm Fri 2 May 14

wilddog says...

they should pay but then again, everyone should pay the same amount! They would still watch the same tv channels, wont they? Yet,ya read in paper that 1 have been fined 20 quid and another 300. Dont care if they are on benefits, the law is the law and all should be treated the same way. You would not have someone getting 3 months in jail for murder as they are on benefits would you? Time they told the BBC that they must find other funding for their repeats instead of milking a captive population in the uk!
they should pay but then again, everyone should pay the same amount! They would still watch the same tv channels, wont they? Yet,ya read in paper that 1 have been fined 20 quid and another 300. Dont care if they are on benefits, the law is the law and all should be treated the same way. You would not have someone getting 3 months in jail for murder as they are on benefits would you? Time they told the BBC that they must find other funding for their repeats instead of milking a captive population in the uk! wilddog
  • Score: 29

8:25pm Fri 2 May 14

phil kernot says...

I don't have a licence, I got a refund , as I don't watch live tv ,, you do not need a licence for a tv ,, there is legal ways not to pay ,,, I'm not paying for the jimmy savile fund ,,, if you choose too that's your choice ,, oh don't start winging saying that's not right what is right is ,, study the law and know your rights ,,, ( go on utube put in tv licence goons it tells you how not to pay legally )). ;)
I don't have a licence, I got a refund , as I don't watch live tv ,, you do not need a licence for a tv ,, there is legal ways not to pay ,,, I'm not paying for the jimmy savile fund ,,, if you choose too that's your choice ,, oh don't start winging saying that's not right what is right is ,, study the law and know your rights ,,, ( go on utube put in tv licence goons it tells you how not to pay legally )). ;) phil kernot
  • Score: 20

8:27pm Fri 2 May 14

phil kernot says...

hairy mary wrote:
Ive no sympathy for the pub in question I have to pay my licence so they should pay for thiers :-)
You pay because your a sheep like the rest who pay ,,, do your legal homework and don't pay it
[quote][p][bold]hairy mary[/bold] wrote: Ive no sympathy for the pub in question I have to pay my licence so they should pay for thiers :-)[/p][/quote]You pay because your a sheep like the rest who pay ,,, do your legal homework and don't pay it phil kernot
  • Score: -9

2:04am Sat 3 May 14

noddy57 says...

It is hard enough trying to make a profit in the pub trade without having to pay for a t v licence,,the brewery should foot the bill,
It is hard enough trying to make a profit in the pub trade without having to pay for a t v licence,,the brewery should foot the bill, noddy57
  • Score: 12

8:12am Sat 3 May 14

happycyclist says...

phil kernot wrote:
I don't have a licence, I got a refund , as I don't watch live tv ,, you do not need a licence for a tv ,, there is legal ways not to pay ,,, I'm not paying for the jimmy savile fund ,,, if you choose too that's your choice ,, oh don't start winging saying that's not right what is right is ,, study the law and know your rights ,,, ( go on utube put in tv licence goons it tells you how not to pay legally )). ;)
Fact is, if you watch TV programmes as they are being broadcast, on a TV or any other equipment, you are liable for the TV licence fee. It's really very simple. There are no legal loopholes.
I don't understand why people refuse to pay for what is a brilliant value entertainment system. £3 a week is cheap as chips.
[quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: I don't have a licence, I got a refund , as I don't watch live tv ,, you do not need a licence for a tv ,, there is legal ways not to pay ,,, I'm not paying for the jimmy savile fund ,,, if you choose too that's your choice ,, oh don't start winging saying that's not right what is right is ,, study the law and know your rights ,,, ( go on utube put in tv licence goons it tells you how not to pay legally )). ;)[/p][/quote]Fact is, if you watch TV programmes as they are being broadcast, on a TV or any other equipment, you are liable for the TV licence fee. It's really very simple. There are no legal loopholes. I don't understand why people refuse to pay for what is a brilliant value entertainment system. £3 a week is cheap as chips. happycyclist
  • Score: 9

8:47am Sat 3 May 14

A Darener says...

It doesn't matter whether you watch tv or not. Having a receiver capable of receiving tv is sufficient including computer equipment.
It doesn't matter whether you watch tv or not. Having a receiver capable of receiving tv is sufficient including computer equipment. A Darener
  • Score: 9

2:22pm Sat 3 May 14

mrdd186 says...

A Darener wrote:
It doesn't matter whether you watch tv or not. Having a receiver capable of receiving tv is sufficient including computer equipment.
You need to be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record TV as it's being broadcast. This includes the use of devices such as a computer, laptop, mobile phone or DVD/video recorder. because you have a tv does not mean you need a licence, just for example you are watching breaking bad dvd on your tv you don't need a licence.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: It doesn't matter whether you watch tv or not. Having a receiver capable of receiving tv is sufficient including computer equipment.[/p][/quote]You need to be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record TV as it's being broadcast. This includes the use of devices such as a computer, laptop, mobile phone or DVD/video recorder. because you have a tv does not mean you need a licence, just for example you are watching breaking bad dvd on your tv you don't need a licence. mrdd186
  • Score: 13

2:25pm Sat 3 May 14

A Darener says...

Is the onus on the viewer to prove he is only watching dvd's or the licensing authority to prove he watches tv programmes?
Just a question!
Is the onus on the viewer to prove he is only watching dvd's or the licensing authority to prove he watches tv programmes? Just a question! A Darener
  • Score: 10

2:32pm Sat 3 May 14

mrdd186 says...

A Darener wrote:
Is the onus on the viewer to prove he is only watching dvd's or the licensing authority to prove he watches tv programmes?
Just a question!
they have to prove your watching live broadcast tv, which is hard to prove unless you let them in your house or admit to watching tv.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Is the onus on the viewer to prove he is only watching dvd's or the licensing authority to prove he watches tv programmes? Just a question![/p][/quote]they have to prove your watching live broadcast tv, which is hard to prove unless you let them in your house or admit to watching tv. mrdd186
  • Score: 5

11:30pm Sat 3 May 14

2 for 5p ridesagain says...

noddy57 wrote:
It is hard enough trying to make a profit in the pub trade without having to pay for a t v licence,,the brewery should foot the bill,
If it's that bad shut the pub down
[quote][p][bold]noddy57[/bold] wrote: It is hard enough trying to make a profit in the pub trade without having to pay for a t v licence,,the brewery should foot the bill,[/p][/quote]If it's that bad shut the pub down 2 for 5p ridesagain
  • Score: 0

12:38am Sun 4 May 14

Steven11 says...

2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
noddy57 wrote:
It is hard enough trying to make a profit in the pub trade without having to pay for a t v licence,,the brewery should foot the bill,
If it's that bad shut the pub down
Shut the pub down ! Why do you want another praying place with another Onion on the top . Try Clitheroe again , see if they want any more of these offensive eye sores , because we Certaintly don't .
[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noddy57[/bold] wrote: It is hard enough trying to make a profit in the pub trade without having to pay for a t v licence,,the brewery should foot the bill,[/p][/quote]If it's that bad shut the pub down[/p][/quote]Shut the pub down ! Why do you want another praying place with another Onion on the top . Try Clitheroe again , see if they want any more of these offensive eye sores , because we Certaintly don't . Steven11
  • Score: 9

9:25am Sun 4 May 14

woolywords says...

Here's how to watch TV without a TV licence.
First, get a decent but cheap laptop, with an HDMI connection to your digital TV.
This converts your TV to a computer monitor, where you can watch the majority of TV programmes AFTER they have been broadcast live.
I'm signed up with Virgin, don't have the set-top box, just the wireless modem and it allows me to watch movies online, when I want, live sporting events and much, much more, without the need of a licence.
I haven't missed a single Formula1 race, whereas, the BBC, who have the rights, are only showing highlights of the races.
For instance, there are hundreds of channels, from cartoons, to documentaries and movies on Justin TV alone (without the need of downloading any illegal ones.) I don't know why anyone, with a computer, pays for a licence. As long as you never watch anything 'live', you are quite legal.
For documentary fans, just type, topdocumentayfilms into Google and watch over 1500, for free.
Enjoy!
Here's how to watch TV without a TV licence. First, get a decent but cheap laptop, with an HDMI connection to your digital TV. This converts your TV to a computer monitor, where you can watch the majority of TV programmes AFTER they have been broadcast live. I'm signed up with Virgin, don't have the set-top box, just the wireless modem and it allows me to watch movies online, when I want, live sporting events and much, much more, without the need of a licence. I haven't missed a single Formula1 race, whereas, the BBC, who have the rights, are only showing highlights of the races. For instance, there are hundreds of channels, from cartoons, to documentaries and movies on Justin TV alone (without the need of downloading any illegal ones.) I don't know why anyone, with a computer, pays for a licence. As long as you never watch anything 'live', you are quite legal. For documentary fans, just type, topdocumentayfilms into Google and watch over 1500, for free. Enjoy! woolywords
  • Score: 1

9:46am Sun 4 May 14

laurenjadeleigh says...

phil kernot wrote:
I don't have a licence, I got a refund , as I don't watch live tv ,, you do not need a licence for a tv ,, there is legal ways not to pay ,,, I'm not paying for the jimmy savile fund ,,, if you choose too that's your choice ,, oh don't start winging saying that's not right what is right is ,, study the law and know your rights ,,, ( go on utube put in tv licence goons it tells you how not to pay legally )). ;)
Paying for your TV licence is not paying for the Jimmy Savile fund, you pay for your licence for the permission to receive and record live television broadcasts. The TV licensing fund is not paid directly too BBC it is paid to the local treasury. You tube may show videos of "TV licensing goons" but most probably have been fined. People may say they are not watching live television but that would be checked when that is set up within 2 years, by maybe a TV licensing visitor or other detection methods, then people are at risk at being fined, The Observatory Pub as a prime example.
[quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: I don't have a licence, I got a refund , as I don't watch live tv ,, you do not need a licence for a tv ,, there is legal ways not to pay ,,, I'm not paying for the jimmy savile fund ,,, if you choose too that's your choice ,, oh don't start winging saying that's not right what is right is ,, study the law and know your rights ,,, ( go on utube put in tv licence goons it tells you how not to pay legally )). ;)[/p][/quote]Paying for your TV licence is not paying for the Jimmy Savile fund, you pay for your licence for the permission to receive and record live television broadcasts. The TV licensing fund is not paid directly too BBC it is paid to the local treasury. You tube may show videos of "TV licensing goons" but most probably have been fined. People may say they are not watching live television but that would be checked when that is set up within 2 years, by maybe a TV licensing visitor or other detection methods, then people are at risk at being fined, The Observatory Pub as a prime example. laurenjadeleigh
  • Score: 5

8:27pm Sun 4 May 14

liddle 'un says...

The sooner the Tories put the sword to the BBC the better.

With the choice available from other providers, making it mandatory to line the pockets of grossly overpaid BBC staff/assorted perverts is bizarre.
The sooner the Tories put the sword to the BBC the better. With the choice available from other providers, making it mandatory to line the pockets of grossly overpaid BBC staff/assorted perverts is bizarre. liddle 'un
  • Score: 8

11:01pm Sun 4 May 14

M Foster says...

laurenjadeleigh wrote:
phil kernot wrote:
I don't have a licence, I got a refund , as I don't watch live tv ,, you do not need a licence for a tv ,, there is legal ways not to pay ,,, I'm not paying for the jimmy savile fund ,,, if you choose too that's your choice ,, oh don't start winging saying that's not right what is right is ,, study the law and know your rights ,,, ( go on utube put in tv licence goons it tells you how not to pay legally )). ;)
Paying for your TV licence is not paying for the Jimmy Savile fund, you pay for your licence for the permission to receive and record live television broadcasts. The TV licensing fund is not paid directly too BBC it is paid to the local treasury. You tube may show videos of "TV licensing goons" but most probably have been fined. People may say they are not watching live television but that would be checked when that is set up within 2 years, by maybe a TV licensing visitor or other detection methods, then people are at risk at being fined, The Observatory Pub as a prime example.
Wrong.
1) The TV licence `evader' vans are fake - nothing in them - can't monitor you.
2) TV licence extraction goons have no rights to be on your property without a police search warrant. Don't let them in, answer no questions and tell them to S** off or you will call the police as they are trespassing.
3) Ignor all TV Tax demands - don't open their mail.
4) Your are not breaking a law if you watch TV without a TV licence - it is just statute and you are not compelled to attend a court summons. It is merely an `invite' to attend.
5) No policeman, court or court representative has any authority over you UNLESS you consent to it. Do not give your consent. If asked "Do you understand?" in a reponse to a statement, do not respond. If you do, you are stating "Yes, I stand under you" - hence giving consent to their authority.
6) Check out you rights under Common Law. The British Contitution Group is a good start.
[quote][p][bold]laurenjadeleigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: I don't have a licence, I got a refund , as I don't watch live tv ,, you do not need a licence for a tv ,, there is legal ways not to pay ,,, I'm not paying for the jimmy savile fund ,,, if you choose too that's your choice ,, oh don't start winging saying that's not right what is right is ,, study the law and know your rights ,,, ( go on utube put in tv licence goons it tells you how not to pay legally )). ;)[/p][/quote]Paying for your TV licence is not paying for the Jimmy Savile fund, you pay for your licence for the permission to receive and record live television broadcasts. The TV licensing fund is not paid directly too BBC it is paid to the local treasury. You tube may show videos of "TV licensing goons" but most probably have been fined. People may say they are not watching live television but that would be checked when that is set up within 2 years, by maybe a TV licensing visitor or other detection methods, then people are at risk at being fined, The Observatory Pub as a prime example.[/p][/quote]Wrong. 1) The TV licence `evader' vans are fake - nothing in them - can't monitor you. 2) TV licence extraction goons have no rights to be on your property without a police search warrant. Don't let them in, answer no questions and tell them to S** off or you will call the police as they are trespassing. 3) Ignor all TV Tax demands - don't open their mail. 4) Your are not breaking a law if you watch TV without a TV licence - it is just statute and you are not compelled to attend a court summons. It is merely an `invite' to attend. 5) No policeman, court or court representative has any authority over you UNLESS you consent to it. Do not give your consent. If asked "Do you understand?" in a reponse to a statement, do not respond. If you do, you are stating "Yes, I stand under you" - hence giving consent to their authority. 6) Check out you rights under Common Law. The British Contitution Group is a good start. M Foster
  • Score: -1

4:05pm Tue 6 May 14

slants says...

I don't understand why people refuse to pay for what is a brilliant value entertainment system. £3 a week is cheap as chips.
jeez you must be a total moron if you think it is good value.The news especially is a joke ,go too Al-jezeera or RT and you will get the proper news not pistorius all day or how the royal family are such good people etc .establishment crap from start to finish.
I don't understand why people refuse to pay for what is a brilliant value entertainment system. £3 a week is cheap as chips. jeez you must be a total moron if you think it is good value.The news especially is a joke ,go too Al-jezeera or RT and you will get the proper news not pistorius all day or how the royal family are such good people etc .establishment crap from start to finish. slants
  • Score: 0

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